What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Apr 23, 2013 1:37:36 pm PDT #28211 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can we string people up for character assassination? I'm fic-desperate right now, so I'm doing some things I know I shouldn't--the fic where Dean was in the same form as Castiel, a senior (can you really ever be both those things?) and Sam is a freshman with a drug addiction (okay, if you are good, this could work) who is selling his tight ass to Lucifer and has "mixed feelings" about it. Ruby as his drug dealer isn't without promise, but he's a fucking crack whore, who keeps it from his pointlessly rebellious big brother, and his father who stomps through the flower garden drunkenly killing all the roses.

I have ditched so many fics at the time where they paint John as a drunken lout while Mary is still alive (and is appropriately long-suffering and martyrish) and various other things that make me want to shake them and then forcefeed them my meta, but I just hit this paragraph, and I don't know if I can co on:

“Aw, Missouri you know I’d never abandon you for too long.” He replies as she shakes her head at him, and he straightens up, intending to turn and give Sam a shared ‘kill me’ look. It’s not that they don’t love Missouri, but she’s one of those fierce, opinionated women, who think they always have the superior knowledge of the situation in hand.

SERIOUSLY? This is how you AU the psychic? God, why am I so desperate? Why can't the advanced healing cage fighting fic and the kindergarten teacher/fire jumper fic be typical, not just a taunting sip of water in the desert?

It's like the only thing they remember about John is Dean calling him a deadbeat Dad. Not Dean saying he loved him, or Sam saying he forgave him. Just Jose Jack and...damn, who's the last member of the trio? and the deadbeat reference.

Like, I believe John drank, and I believe he may have hit the kids. I don't believe he was sleeping off his binges in the parking lots of bars, or abusing the boys (especially drunkenly). My bar isn't that high, I swear. Except John does love them more than anything not named Mary. Bobby was an important paternal figure introducing normalcy and displaying affection, but these AUs don't seem to admit that Sam and Dean hugged John when they found him again as well as argued, and don't tip their hat to anything Matt Cohen did or said.

I'd love to see people integrate Henry into John's backstory too. That would be different, at least in D/C AUs.

Right. Back off to torture myself while I wait for an alert about a good fic to hit my inbox...

eta: Shit, there's more:

Deanna is a meek, submissive counterpart to her husband’s accusatory stance on the situation – Dean hates that he is named after her for this reason, why can’t the damn woman stand up for herself?


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 23, 2013 2:55:06 pm PDT #28212 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

So, they left the room during all the scenes where Deanna Campbell was actually onscreen? She may not have been a trained-from-birth hunter, but meek and submissive bear no relation to the woman I saw in that episode.


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2013 3:53:06 pm PDT #28213 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So far this author hates:

  • John
  • Missouri
  • Samuel
  • Deanna
  • Christian
  • Gwen
  • Mark
  • Garth
  • Kate (if she's talking to John)

Also, there's British slang in the dialogue (AGAIN--is SPN the Plymouth Rock of another wave of colonisation?) and there's giddy Gabriel/Anna, but at least this time Dean's not the only illegible texter--Cas (an escort) and Anna (same, dating Gabriel, another escort) also use really childlike spelling.

And dig these gyrations--it's The Wedding Date, D/C. Dean is trying to prove to homophobic family he's gay (he is), so he hires Cas for a no sex date to Sam's wedding. Early on, they order pizza, which is delivered by Adam (I guess they're hinting at the affair), and at the bachelor party, Cas (who is all suave and A PROFESSIONAL SEX WORKER) sees Adam ping Chastity to the wall and sample her tonsils, so when he succumbs to Dean (he of the beautiful soul) and Dean asks where that kiss came from, Cas says he "learnt it from the pizza man."

It's a gloriously klunky wild goose chase, because all of those things need to be stuck together just to get one line from the script, but I'm sure since she's "fixed" the kiss, it was worth it.

Still, it brings out the worst in me as a reader--it's too long to be a "social experiment" (like the one where Cas felt arousal in his kneecaps--I firmly believe that's someone's psych homework), so I'm just punching myself in the head with how awkward and intermittently hateful a story this is.


Amy - Apr 23, 2013 3:58:37 pm PDT #28214 of 30002
Because books.

How do you hate Missouri?!


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2013 4:36:44 pm PDT #28215 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She was mean to Dean?

No, I've actually read that. The spoon thing, and the goofy looking kid thing. The story has her lurching around pushing unpleasant fortune telling on people at the rehearsal dinner.


Morgana - Apr 23, 2013 4:40:19 pm PDT #28216 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

How do you hate Missouri?!

Oh, I read the hatred. She was mean to Dean, you know.


Amy - Apr 23, 2013 4:41:23 pm PDT #28217 of 30002
Because books.

It's weird, but sometimes I think Wincest writers are more in tune with actual canon. Except for, you know.


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2013 4:50:34 pm PDT #28218 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't say I see that any demographic has the lock on not crazy other than the not crazy people. But the general dislike of Missouri isn't a D/C thing. I got those details from the anon meme and tumblr, in much less partisan areas than me plowing through all the worst D/C fics.


Amy - Apr 23, 2013 4:54:48 pm PDT #28219 of 30002
Because books.

Every demographic has its crazy, sure, but I've read a lot more out of character D/C than Wincest. Taking into account, of course, that many people find Sam/Dean completely out of character.


SuziQ - Apr 23, 2013 6:04:41 pm PDT #28220 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Crap, crap, crap. My brain decided today was Wednesday. For the last 3 hours, I've stayed out of this thread and looked forward to 9pm...and now I feel like a total dork. And I'm pissed that there is no SHOW, even though it is only Tuesday. Stupid brain.