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'Never Leave Me'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Mar 15, 2013 10:25:31 am PDT #27938 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nope. I knew last year, obviously, but I hadn't processed/noticed that it was happening again. Why did it happen again?


Amy - Mar 15, 2013 10:34:45 am PDT #27939 of 30002
Because books.

No idea. I just heard we would get 23 again and rejoiced. You know, alone. Obviously.


§ ita § - Mar 15, 2013 1:12:53 pm PDT #27940 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In general, I am leery of things that call themselves poetry amongst the throngs of fanwork, because there's rarely any way for them to satisfy me if they aren't good, because there's so little room to play with. But, on a D/C tip, I don't get why one is a poem and one a list, but here's Dean: [link] and here's Cas: [link]

The 23 ep thing, I...I am just slacking, clearly.


§ ita § - Mar 16, 2013 12:29:49 pm PDT #27941 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't care if it's an AU. Why are Castiel's hips swaying so much? He has boy hips, and you have to work extra to sway them, and HOW IS THAT IN CHARACTER?

I swear, I have really specific rules for feminisation, and clearly no one else can be trusted to do it right. If you explain you draw Cas like that because he's an engel without pre-existing requirements of gender, that doesn't explain why he has a wasp waist and he's so pigeon-toed. That is not a wardrobe choice.

Does Dean get femmed up a lot in Wincest? It seems that if D/C makes someone alpha/dominant/man-shaped it's Dean, leaving Misha playing a Cas that's very short, wide-hipped, demure, apple-cheeked and subordinate. But without playing those like it's a cool exploration, more like that's how they're seen--clearly AUs hinge on something being different, but there's an impression of what they are changing versus how they have the character imprinted.


Amy - Mar 16, 2013 12:34:59 pm PDT #27942 of 30002
Because books.

There seem to be two sides in Wincest -- one that believes Sam tops, and the other believes Dean does. Neither of them are really feminized, that I've seen, but I don't read stuff that seems really out of character at the start.


§ ita § - Mar 16, 2013 12:46:00 pm PDT #27943 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since I'm consuming fic right now by just seeing what turns up for the pairing on AO3, I bump into a lot of summaries. And then there's the art--I'd say a subordinate Dean is less than one in five in fic, and feminised Dean (over Cas) very rare in the art that I bump into.

I keep forgetting that people a) care who tops or b) some people insist it's related to personality.


Amy - Mar 16, 2013 12:50:19 pm PDT #27944 of 30002
Because books.

There are good stories where that's not an aspect of their relationship, though, and the whole thing is very equitable and flexible.


§ ita § - Mar 16, 2013 12:55:33 pm PDT #27945 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There aren't enough good stories for me, so I need to find fic that doesn't make me want to put a fist through anything. I stopped trolling FF.NET, because I love English, and just fell out of checking LJ for anything, but the space inbetween the stories or authors I've subscribed to...yeah, I need more.

I got my fic for the Ruby bang! I like it--it's not going to win me over to Ruby fic, but it's similar to my first bang and the Gabriel story--she interprets canon the way I do (whew!) and it's a story that's sympathetic to the character without ignoring the facts--I think a Ruby that's focussed on opening all the seals, but likes Sam and wants him to like her (as Lucifer rules the world) is working for me. It's basically the story from her possessing the final body to Dean coming back.


Amy - Mar 16, 2013 12:57:34 pm PDT #27946 of 30002
Because books.

That does sound good.

I've been reading some old favorites in lean times, but I also get more variety than you do because I'll read RPF, too. On the other hand, I'm also reading more books lately, which I've actually been enjoying, so if there's no good fic one night, I usually read one of the books instead.


Morgana - Mar 16, 2013 5:33:05 pm PDT #27947 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Does Dean get femmed up a lot in Wincest?

I read Wincest almost exclusively and the only times I've ever seen Dean get femmed up were when it was done deliberately as a kink (as in times he dresses in women's underwear, or some such, for those in the mood to read kink). The issue of topping doesn't have anything to do with it.