I'm sure my sister (who just met Cas (and Ruby, although she doesn't know...)) will give me the drinking breakdown. Oh, she's in for some badassery and crying now....I'm trying to balance my excitement with S4 with my guttedness at Sam and Ruby and not spoil her in any way.

In terms of things they didn't bother think through in Purgatory--Dean kept his tidily short hair and mostly smooth face (I can wank the shaving, not the haircut), but Cas grew hair.

Am I imagining that ... someone had a scene sitting at the water's edge and knife shaving? Because, I'll admit, I think it's really hot and I could have just imagined it as a happy place. But it feels like it might have happened somewhere in Purgatory. Though since I can't remember if it was Dean or Cas, I should maybe accept I might have just imagined it.

There were times in S4 when I had the impression he was trying not to broadcast it, if not actively hide it.

Not actively hide, but certainly drawing no obvious attention to it.

But ita !'s sister will be watching more scientifically and now.

One of the things that attracts me to his drinking so much is that he doesn't make noise about it, Sam doesn't try and get him to dry out--I'd imagine the worst issue would be if he were stealing Rufus' good stuff, you know? They don't have hunter therapists (that was one of the dumbest arguments I ever got into--JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON THE SHOW DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T EXIST!!!! Go on, little buddy, sure they do). They might wish he drank less, but it's not like they can hand him either better luck or better coping mechanisms, so until it jeopardises someone's life, it's probably on a par with "lettuce on your burger doesn't count towards your RDA, Dean." And if there's a god, a Stargate or MacGyver joke follows.

The script is just willing to show, for a long time, that he's stressed, he's drinking to cope, and FUCK--wasn't that a lot more stress?

But if you told me that major biological functions were suspended in Purgatory (I imagine people aren't eating for sustenance in Heaven or Hell) then the weirdest thing does become Cas' beird, and since he's the only angel hanging out down there, wanking that as extra life force through grace or something...well, it's dicey, but in the court of fandom, I'll allow it.

So maybe that why no DTs, but he's shown drinking in about 3/4 of the eps so far. And if you're not a Ewing, that's a lot.

But if you told me that major biological functions were suspended in Purgatory

Did any of them shave though? I was counting on you to know. Or I wanted links to pictures of scruffy men competently shaving by rivers or streams. One of those.

If I had to handwave, I'd say that barbers weren't a priority in Purgatory but your personal demons might be relevant and thus drinking matters more scruff. So DTs before a handsome rugged look? But that's complete guessing.

One of the things that attracts me to his drinking so much is that he doesn't make noise about it, Sam doesn't try and get him to dry out

I do like that it's quietly addressed. It's usually not a thing. It's just a part of Dean.

We didn't see them take care of anything physical, but I am more surprised by hair growth than clean shavenness. It's an afterworld, and it's one of those scenarios where they were transported bodily instead of their souls travelling, but still. It appeals to my sense of balance that they'd experience jeopardy, since that's been shown to happen in Heaven and Hell, but we'd be surprised (well, I would) at other biological processes.

We're still not 100% clear whether Cas' body is a living human vessel resurrected along with him, or just a convenient physical manifestation he's been granted by special dispensation in lieu of a host body. I can easily see the latter resulting in haggard scruffiness due to his mental state even in a dimension where normal physical processes are suspended.

I asked my sister about her reaction to Carry On Wayward Son and she asked if that was the song they keep playing. She only remembers that song that "fit really well with the escape from the bank" and the rest is "noise" which cracks me up because I've found the only other fan in our age group who gets fewer of the musical points than me. So proud.

She predicted the "didn't shoot the deputy" line in Jus In Bello, so we're pretty much same cloth.

I'm pissed! I want her in season five, so I can discuss women's underwear properly--she also has a thing for all the times Dean asks Sam if the bra is his, and she says there's one unclaimed bra so far, but I've just told her I can't talk about undies right now--but I thought we were eps away, not a whole season...

Over on LJ on spnstoryfinders, under the heading "gencest" I found the following:

hey all, I was wondering if anyone would happen to have any gencest fics they could send my way? I recently learned that gencest is a sub-category of gen where the boys aren't in a romantic or sexual relationship, but it will focus on their deep emotional bond and I'd love to read some of that.

I sat here staring at this, and kept tripping over the 'not in a romantic or sexual relationship but having a deep emotional bond' part of things. I wanted to write back and say -- you mean, stories where they're brothers?

I've never heard of gencest. The cool kids get all the new stuff before I do.

She only remembers that song that "fit really well with the escape from the bank" and the rest is "noise" which cracks me up because I've found the only other fan in our age group who gets fewer of the musical points than me. So proud.

Styx is not Kansas! What do they teach you in Jamaica?!

Also that song was perfect in that scene. I kinda want to watch it again.

I sat here staring at this, and kept tripping over the 'not in a romantic or sexual relationship but having a deep emotional bond' part of things. I wanted to write back and say -- you mean, stories where they're brothers?

Yeah, that's called a good sibling relationship.

People are unfathomable.

I get that the question "do you want to fuck your sibling" is completely irrelevant to whether someone gets off on incest stories or not. But I do start to wonder what kind of sibling relationships you've modelled (whether your own or around you) if you think that "deep emotional bond" needs "cest" applied.

I mean, it strikes me as sad, to call out something that's relatively common (compared to fucking your sibling) and not just legal, but actually positive by backing into it from a sexual place that pretty much always speaks of emotional and psychological damage.