If it's just about the other stuff, then I "ship" it too. Hell, I believe they're soulmates, for crying out loud. But incest isn't just 12 on the fucked up dial, it is the fucked dial.

I mean, when I say I enjoy Dean and Castiel's relationship without the sex, that's when I'm not wearing a D/C (Destiel, whatever) hat--that's something else. I think sex between two people is usually enough different that it's not casually added onto an interaction. I like 'em two ways--in canon and in bed.

Which is why I don't understand no-sex Wincest. It's not like they're going to be in love but wearing purity rings or something.

Oh, I think they are totally emotionally screwed but they aren't screwing canonically. They are each other's worlds but the rest of the world bleeds in and I don't think I'd buy it onscreen even if tv would ever go there.

I actually think it's why I don't ship D/C. I think they are weirdly, emotionally wrapped up in each other and it's probably confusing to them but I don't see it going romantic or sexual. I know why some people like it, ship it and want it. But I am kinda good with the onscreen relationship.

Which is why I don't understand no-sex Wincest. It's not like they're going to be in love but wearing purity rings or something.

Because that makes no sense? It doesn't to me.

I'm trying to work out what would an asexual D/C look like (as opposed to just not having sex) and maybe I don't have all the shades of subtlety to see non-platonic and non-sexual intimate relationships, but whatevs. It's the "incest where the sex isn't important" that I'll never get. I'd imagine if you ever sleep with your sibling, something is important about that. Because we live in the 21st century America.

My sister's rationale for alcoholism?

Well, he drinks when he's happy, he drinks when he's angry. It struck me in that ep cos he and Sam fought about something, and he stormed towards the door and when Sam asked where he was going, he said to get a drink. And they didn't show him having the drink, meaning it wasn't part of the plot, but they still wrote him as doing it. So, it just seemed a hint. And you said that Kripke drops hint[s] that he cashes in on seasons later...

I'd like to say I taught her that, but...she did the heavy lifting herself.

As much as Tumblr is the only social media I can handle right now, I hate how you can't really get up in someone's face. All those people who are wanking over the idea that two cups of coffee mean Dean's done the twelve steps--I want to shake screencaps in their face. But all I can do is post a rebuttal in a place no one reads and move on, just like my grumpy John defenses.

Maybe one day when the archaeologists look at the remnants they'll understand my unique position as fandom Cassandra. Except I'm telling the truth about the past ::shakes fangirls until their brains rattle::

Aww, S is totally doing the heavy lifting there. Even if it is describing how Dean's alcoholism is totally normalized in the show much of the time.

It's the "incest where the sex isn't important" that I'll never get.

Which? What the hell is that? If you are going that far emotionally, physically isn't the biggest leap. "We're totally involved and totally committed but totally chaste" is maybe the least Winchester thing I've heard.

Maybe one day when the archaeologists look at the remnants they'll understand my unique position as fandom Cassandra. Except I'm telling the truth about the past ::shakes fangirls until their brains rattle::

You're going to just use the one S, right? Because you could be the next Cas that way.

Incest, by definition, is about the sex. That's the dividing line. Like Cass says:

"We're totally involved and totally committed but totally chaste" is maybe the least Winchester thing I've heard.

...is ridiculous.

(agrees with Amy)

I get that "incestuous" is used often not to include actual sex and it is probably in that spirit the person made the comment, but I can't fix someone's lack of understanding.

I also think actual incest is generally more fraught than it's portrayed in fic. Sam and Dean are so often "in love" and calling themselves boyfriends, etc. That's not the defining aspect of most sexually incestuous relationships, even consensual ones, as far as I know.

Which is really only as far as some spotty reading and what I've seen portrayed or read in true crime, but still.

Amy, are you implying that Bobby wouldn't give them his blessing, and that John's not an evil cockblock for disapproving? Why, I never...

I'm reading a weird complaint about this week's episode. If your problem includes:

I'm tired of the heaven and hell, demons and angels, witches and vampires-stuff

Why are you watching Supernatural? Perhaps you meant to be watching Grey's Anatomy? Scandal? Something the show hasn't been for going on eight seasons?

He also thinks that every episode should play into the season arc, like season 5. I'm waiting for him to explain Jesse and Paris Hilton.

I'm never going to try and talk someone into liking the show--there's no reason everyone should. But if you're going to explain your position, make sense and don't rewrite history, that would be a good place to start.

I meant to tell you folks! Yesterday I saw a handful of teens to early 20s women cosplaying Castiel, but my favorite were the pair of mid-teen girls who were cosplaying Castiel and Dean. They were just precious.

"What is all this supernatural shit doing on a show called 'Supernatural?'"