A man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything.

Wash ,'The Message'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 21, 2013 12:15:17 pm PST #27713 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

AND JESUS WHY NAME SOMEONE ELSE JAMES????

IF THIS SEASON IS A DREAM, I WILL CUT A BITCH.


Juliebird - Feb 21, 2013 1:59:20 pm PST #27714 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Ryan Reynolds

Good, not just me then. Gosh, he was cute, with lots of Jensen tics like freckles and reddish stubble.

I was waiting for Dean's epiphany at the end to be about how not all witches are bad. I didn't quite follow his logic on being okay with Sam taking point on closing Hell down, although I'm glad he got there.

I was a little annoyed at Sam for not getting that Dean was coming from a place of "It's not that I don't think you can do it (I don't trust you to do it" but "I don't WANT you to do it because I put your life before my worthless one" which was my reading of last weeks ep. I'm still waiting for Dean to have a Life series finale epiphany that self-sacrifice isn't the answer for the ones you love, especially when they get left behind, alive and alone, that they need you to survive for them, with them. And that it's not even about acknowledging that you are a worthwhile person, but simply acknowledging that the person you hold highest wants you around, whether you "deserve" it or not. In my little fantasy world, that's where I want Dean's headspace to get to at the end of all things. Some Bab 5 awesomeness about being willing to die for someone/thing, and also being willing to live for them, too.


§ ita § - Feb 21, 2013 2:14:35 pm PST #27715 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For the record, my little sister would probably have levied the same accusation at me, and somehow failed to understand the specific kind of idiot I was being in a real-world-sized equivalent situation. That and Dean's witch hypocrisy I see as long-standing character notes which are going to take more than one disappointing episode to get past.

I swear--I've been avoiding IO9 reviews because she's been disliking it, and now she says she loved this week, and I'm all WTF idjit! on her.

Thanks to your mention, Amy, I noticed the same team wrote Route 666, and I think that's about the point where I throw my hands up in defeat--no matter how many not awful (I liked A Little Slice of Kevin, for instance) episodes they do, that does mean they're responsible for my least watchable episode, so...maybe I was lucky to have liked some of it.

And I can't help but think the writers room takes responsibility for some of what annoys me, not just the people with their names on the script.


Amy - Feb 21, 2013 2:27:45 pm PST #27716 of 30002
Because books.

And I can't help but think the writers room takes responsibility for some of what annoys me, not just the people with their names on the script.

Oh, absolutely. No one is handing in a script without a story approved (and most likely assigned) first. Still, it's always my instinct to blame the writer first, and I would imagine a lot of it is this team's doing -- like the questionable jokes, the poor characterization.

I saw that they had written more decent episodes than I thought, but I still don't like them. Sorry, Bob.


Typo Boy - Feb 21, 2013 2:28:46 pm PST #27717 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah I wasn't even thinking about hypocrisy. I'm just trying to figure out what makes a witch in the SPN verse. It can't just be knowing spells, because lots of people who are not witches know spells... So where is the line between "knows spells" and "witch"? Or is it one of those things that has never been explicitly defined?


Juliebird - Feb 21, 2013 2:30:30 pm PST #27718 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Maybe being a witch is being able to do stuff like snap peoples necks with a hand guesture and the power of your mind? That it's not just getting the ingredients and saying the right words, but somehow harnessing power into yourself to use at will?


Amy - Feb 21, 2013 2:33:28 pm PST #27719 of 30002
Because books.

I don't think it's "being" a witch so much as actively joining a group of them that set these witches apart. They were part of a community.


Amy - Feb 21, 2013 2:50:03 pm PST #27720 of 30002
Because books.

Tara Larsen ‏@taraslarsen
we appreciate your enthusiasm for the return of castiel #spn but please stop sending feathers as some people, including myself are allergic.

Oh, people. It's not up to you if Cas comes back. Deal with it.


§ ita § - Feb 21, 2013 4:55:48 pm PST #27721 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Drawing your power from a demonic source seems like a good place to start. But my point was that there doesn't have to be a consistent dividing line, since it would be entirely in character for Dean to judge other people's spellcasting more negatively than his own. The whole "partners with Crowley" thing underlined that a few times.

It's not up to you if Cas comes back

Seriously. I already typed out the "Does anyone have a link to where Misha said sincerely he wanted more work?" reply to a related tumblr post, but I did end up hitting cancel on that one. But, seriously--why is his employ their problem?

Then again, I refuse to believe the person who said it was sad that there were Dean fans and Cas fans, but so few Sam fans (or insert actors instead--it was blurry). That really has to be the result of isolating yourself in fandom. I refuse to believe that Sam (and Jared) has fewer fans than Cas, whether you count people who quit watching (aka the D/C or Casgirls who thought S6 ruined him and their ship) or just the current watchers.


§ ita § - Feb 22, 2013 10:34:10 am PST #27722 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I know they've done it before, but the volume of this [link] worries me.