Man, just ascend already.

Willow ,'Chosen'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - Feb 01, 2013 6:52:51 pm PST #27511 of 30002
Because books.

God, that's true.

Except when Sam is biting demons for their blood, and it's frighteningly hot and feral and raw.


§ ita § - Feb 01, 2013 6:55:50 pm PST #27512 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sam is SUCH A FUCKING WINCHESTER, and Dean is SUCH A FUCKING CAMPBELL.

They doubled down on that, didn't they? From John's funeral to here, they totally did.

I have been reading people pissed that...Singer, I think, called Dean brawn and Sam brains, but at what point is Sam not fighting (Thor!) or Dean not thinking (battlefield strategy! phone translation app!)?

I have to say, I should know better--no fandom backlash doesn't have its backlash. Some of these people are identifying themselves as season gr8ers who spoke too soon of the mess that was Gamble and the saviour that was Carver.

But I feel old and cranky, because I don't actually feel the show was lacklustre before Cas showed up, and somehow that robs me of my ability to present a rational point of view.

Worst Destieler ever.


Cass - Feb 01, 2013 7:05:52 pm PST #27513 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Who stopped someone with violence to save their brother?

Dean in the herbal shop hit Henry who was attempting to do blood magic.

Is it accurate to say Henry's motivation was to save his son?

It's what Henry said. I'll believe him on his own motivation when it's so clearly stated.

I see a lot of people doing that, and I have to admit I don't get it.

Henry's biases were to call hunters "monkeys" even knowing that was what his son and grandsons' lives were all about. And he seemed resolved to his cause.

Much like I took a dislike to Naomi, I don't like the Men of Letters. I'm not really sure of either of their overall objectives but the stories aren't fitting into my idea of Supernatural.

And since it's not a show that is making me happy a lot this season (I was surprised to like LARP but I did end up having a great time with that ep), it's probably not worth me splitting a lot of hairs over it when people are enjoying it. That's just kinda mean.


§ ita § - Feb 01, 2013 7:36:56 pm PST #27514 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's what Henry said. I'll believe him on his own motivation when it's so clearly stated.

He also said he was going back to stop Abaddon. Do you believe it's accurate to characterise him with one motivation and not both?

And he seemed resolved to his cause.

Until he changed his mind, yes. And Larry had no such bias. Which is why I can't feel I know the organisational bias--two wouldn't be a pattern even if they agreed with each other.

Dean in the herbal shop hit Henry who was attempting to do blood magic.

I have to admit to a very "fight amongst yourselves" attitude to Winchester family disagreements. If Sam and Dean ever hurt a third party in order to save each other, an innocent, I mean, then I will worry and call them selfish. I totally cop to that bias--it's no way to live in the real world, but that's probably why grandpappy thought they were apes. Because they only way he could stop him long enough to convince him that he was capable of stopping Abadon, plus this way he gets to keep his brother, since unlike what you said, Henry wasn't going back to save John. He was going back to parent him (not unimportant or inconsiderable at all--but the default narrative bias is always going to be "this way isn't that bad--we already lived it anyway so let's call it done"--he's presenting Henry with a known quantity, and saying "preserve this and save my brother instead of rolling the dice."

Do you think that time is still malleable? Are we in a My Heart Will Go On universe still, and not reverted back to The Song Remains The Same? I don't see any explicit plot happenings that would have switched it back, but I suppose they could justify it with a heaven-restoring-order explanation or something.

Which makes me wonder another thing--can they make more angels? Or can Heaven never recover from what Castiel did? Like, did he break Christianity? And time travel? Not bad for a nerdy dude with wings.


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2013 4:46:49 pm PST #27515 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Someone had a 2013 SPN calendar listed on Ebay for $2500. I offered $13. They came back for $30.

$15 seem like a reasonable next step? I'm willing to go twenty before shipping, considering the fucking market. But it's February, and there is The Hobbit.


Morgana - Feb 02, 2013 5:15:01 pm PST #27516 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I Googled the calendar and got several hits for under $20.... I'm assuming you already tried that, right?


Amy - Feb 02, 2013 5:37:41 pm PST #27517 of 30002
Because books.

I saw some on Amazon for #24.95, from third party sellers.


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2013 5:46:13 pm PST #27518 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do any of them have them in stock? All the places I hit were out (including every single Amazon-listed distributor, and I don't even shop through them).

I'd be more than grateful if you found somewhere that had them, and not had them had them like Deep Discount, who doesn't seem to update their e-commerce inventory in a timely fashion, nor send out "I'm really sorry for the wait" emails.

This time last year it was Creation not sending my my calendar, but at least they had stock. This year they don't either.


Amy - Feb 02, 2013 5:51:44 pm PST #27519 of 30002
Because books.

The first listing on this page says it's in stock: [link]

I assume it's in stock here, and it's only $13.99: [link]


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2013 5:54:48 pm PST #27520 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I saw some on Amazon for #24.95, from third party sellers.

That's my problem. It's not $25 worth of calendar to me. Party on to the people who'd pay $150.