Who stopped someone with violence to save their brother? Is it accurate to say Henry's motivation was to save his son?

We've seen two people associated with the Men of Letters. One was a novice, and one a veteran of their magic wars. The novice was extremely disdainful of hunters. The experienced one was not.

Is it reasonable to feel we know how the Men of Letters regard hunters yet? This group that worked with them to do good? Given that Henry was proven to be...not exactly an unreliable narrator, but wrong in his biases, why give such weight to them? Why decide they're representative this early on in the plotline? I see a lot of people doing that, and I have to admit I don't get it.

When push came to shove, Henry was going to go back and defeat Abaddon and raise his son. Dean was going to defeat Abaddon and save his brother. Henry decided to go with the Sam plan, but at what point were either of them not going to defeat Abaddon?

John was on a mission of revenge for those twenty years, but the family being was saving people, not researching house fires.

I joke about the scorched earth for Sammy thing, but it's been forever since Dean did something like that--that was the point of the end of season 5, and they haven't reneged on it yet.

I am tempted sometimes to write Baby fic, from her POV.

But then I don't.

I can see that reaction to the episode, Cass. I was lightly spoiled for the episode, and I was a little skeptical. But it charmed me in the end, and the tangled family mess of tragedy was just so bittersweet and stupid and human, I sort of love it.

I am, though, as we know, easily convinced to love just about every episode. I have zero objectivity about Winchesters, because I essentially just want to see them on my screen, no matter what. So far, anyway.

I mostly love the fact that Sam is SUCH A FUCKING WINCHESTER, and Dean is SUCH A FUCKING CAMPBELL.

I have read those fics, Amy. They tend to be either weird or sad, with not much inbetween.

There's enough of a number of people (read >1) who identify themselves as interested in Ianpala, and I realised that for all I like the car, I am a bit weirded out by casting it (Claudia Black!), and especially as Ian Somerhalder.

Also, Dean shouldn't sleep with Baby for any reason.

God, that's true.

Except when Sam is biting demons for their blood, and it's frighteningly hot and feral and raw.

Sam is SUCH A FUCKING WINCHESTER, and Dean is SUCH A FUCKING CAMPBELL.

They doubled down on that, didn't they? From John's funeral to here, they totally did.

I have been reading people pissed that...Singer, I think, called Dean brawn and Sam brains, but at what point is Sam not fighting (Thor!) or Dean not thinking (battlefield strategy! phone translation app!)?

I have to say, I should know better--no fandom backlash doesn't have its backlash. Some of these people are identifying themselves as season gr8ers who spoke too soon of the mess that was Gamble and the saviour that was Carver.

But I feel old and cranky, because I don't actually feel the show was lacklustre before Cas showed up, and somehow that robs me of my ability to present a rational point of view.

Worst Destieler ever.

Who stopped someone with violence to save their brother?

Dean in the herbal shop hit Henry who was attempting to do blood magic.

Is it accurate to say Henry's motivation was to save his son?

It's what Henry said. I'll believe him on his own motivation when it's so clearly stated.

I see a lot of people doing that, and I have to admit I don't get it.

Henry's biases were to call hunters "monkeys" even knowing that was what his son and grandsons' lives were all about. And he seemed resolved to his cause.

Much like I took a dislike to Naomi, I don't like the Men of Letters. I'm not really sure of either of their overall objectives but the stories aren't fitting into my idea of Supernatural.

And since it's not a show that is making me happy a lot this season (I was surprised to like LARP but I did end up having a great time with that ep), it's probably not worth me splitting a lot of hairs over it when people are enjoying it. That's just kinda mean.

It's what Henry said. I'll believe him on his own motivation when it's so clearly stated.

He also said he was going back to stop Abaddon. Do you believe it's accurate to characterise him with one motivation and not both?

And he seemed resolved to his cause.

Until he changed his mind, yes. And Larry had no such bias. Which is why I can't feel I know the organisational bias--two wouldn't be a pattern even if they agreed with each other.

Dean in the herbal shop hit Henry who was attempting to do blood magic.

I have to admit to a very "fight amongst yourselves" attitude to Winchester family disagreements. If Sam and Dean ever hurt a third party in order to save each other, an innocent, I mean, then I will worry and call them selfish. I totally cop to that bias--it's no way to live in the real world, but that's probably why grandpappy thought they were apes. Because they only way he could stop him long enough to convince him that he was capable of stopping Abadon, plus this way he gets to keep his brother, since unlike what you said, Henry wasn't going back to save John. He was going back to parent him (not unimportant or inconsiderable at all--but the default narrative bias is always going to be "this way isn't that bad--we already lived it anyway so let's call it done"--he's presenting Henry with a known quantity, and saying "preserve this and save my brother instead of rolling the dice."

Do you think that time is still malleable? Are we in a My Heart Will Go On universe still, and not reverted back to The Song Remains The Same? I don't see any explicit plot happenings that would have switched it back, but I suppose they could justify it with a heaven-restoring-order explanation or something.

Which makes me wonder another thing--can they make more angels? Or can Heaven never recover from what Castiel did? Like, did he break Christianity? And time travel? Not bad for a nerdy dude with wings.

Someone had a 2013 SPN calendar listed on Ebay for $2500. I offered $13. They came back for $30.

$15 seem like a reasonable next step? I'm willing to go twenty before shipping, considering the fucking market. But it's February, and there is The Hobbit.

I Googled the calendar and got several hits for under $20.... I'm assuming you already tried that, right?