I was referring to him snapping at Cas and being less than huggy-joyous when he showed up
Ah, I see. On a meta level, I figure we weren't getting two Cas hugs in the season (well, series, to be fair) it also totally wasn't the tenor of happy to see him, and in a season where Dean's being pretty snappishly defensive of his right to feel his feels, I got a sense of the not being right with Cas being back was twofold-Dean was the only way out of Purgatory, and he'd failed.
I think a lot of people can convince themselves that something happened in a way they can accept, rather than the way it actually happened
Dean spent 40 years in hell and seemed to remember that correctly. For all the trauma either him or Sam has been through, the text has never shown us any memory modification that wasn't supernatural in nature--either they forgot, or they remember it right, or someone's doing something in their head. And if what we'd been shown had been what happened, I'd have been okay with Cas saying pretty much exactly what he said and thought Dean was being normally OTT about it. But what Cas believes happened (and, even given Naomi I felt we were to treat his version as fact) is sufficiently different that if I ever worked out I'd had that much disparity between a recent memory and an assumed verbatim recollection I'd be engaging in a fair amount of self doubt.
Dean didn't veer too far from the truth -- he just chose not to remember a few details of it
The difference between "our hands slipped" and Cas telling Dean to go isn't s a detail to me. If someone with a big old abandonment issue rewrites a memory to not just take the abandonment part out,, but make them the abandoner, their therapist is going to make a session or two about that.
They could have had Dean's memory of the physicality of it be accurate, but show that Dean couldn't hear Cas over the noise, and I'd take that as convenient filing of something ambiguous. But what happened wasn't ambiguous. It wasn't that close. Dean did some mental legwork on that one. And I feel the script acknowledges that.
I'm rewatching again, and I really want to know what they eat, man. Dean is presumably coming back from a shop run--bag of chips, six pack into the fridge and STUFF. I need fic to get Jossed or Kripked. I need to know what they make, not just what they eat out.
As for Samandriel (Why??? What fucking angel name book are they working from? Balthazar? Naomi? Rachel? Would it be giving too much away to get anywhere near lore?) I think that the show has really got to sort out what angels are vulnerable to and what they're not. Or it'll be like how high Buffy can jump. I mean, I'm okay with him being torturable, I just want to see it being a bit more complex.
(I think I will never not love Sam exorcising his phone)
And permanent relationships with women tougher and luckier than they were so that they would each have someone in their life besides each other
Why permanent? Why not a never ending series of bendy ladies who can hold their liquor?
(To me Dean would rather have a kid than and LD relationship-I'm not seeing that yearning independent of an actual person the way I read it for Sam)
But what happened wasn't ambiguous. It wasn't that close. Dean did some mental legwork on that one. And I feel the script acknowledges that.
Now I'm really not sure where we're disagreeing. If you think the script acknowledges the fact that he changed his memory purposely, what is it you're not buying? That Dean is the type of person who would do that?
One of the local high schools runs adult evening classes ("for lifelong learners") -- everything from crafts to computer skills to dance, and so on. In the most recent catlog I found the following:
Hunting Ghosts: Basic Boot Camp
Are you a big fan of TV's "Ghost Adventure" or "Ghost Hunters"? This class will give you the confidence to explore ghost hunting as a passion or hobby, under the direction of avid ghost hunter and paranormal investigator, Lesley Wood. Weekly topics include site orientation and geography; historical research; psychic protection; ghost photography, recording EVPs, EMF meters, and Frank's Box; using trigger objects; interviewing skills and more. Optional: field trip to Fort Mifflin or other historic site for a ghost hunt, date TBD and cost additional.
Only $65 for 4 sessions! I kept picturing the expressions on the Winchesters' faces if they happened to read that description.
If you think the script acknowledges the fact that he changed his memory purposely, what is it you're not buying? That Dean is the type of person who would do that?
There's nothing I don't buy--I was saying that I found the deliberate reconstruction of the events was significant and interesting damage. But it's interesting to me because I find it more than fluid or veering, but rather a telling quantum leap.
Why permanent? Why not a never ending series of bendy ladies who can hold their liquor?
I think that would only work if they were also able to defend themselves against Demons and such, or if there was some sort of spell that would keep demons, and angels and monsters and gods from knowing they had associated with Dean, and hurting them as a way to get to him.
Also, I think part of paradise for Dean would be friends who were not endangered by what Dean did - either protected or tough enough not to need protection. Friends in the same town as his protected home.
Has Dean ever endangered a woman he had casual sex with?
Where have you seen him display a longing for a permanent relationship or more friends?
I don't know, I think the eagerness with which he latched on to Crazy Frank spoke of a longing for more friends.
Eagerness? Frank?
This is why I need to ask questions, because I totally don't see anything like that on my own. I got the impression he was kinda irritated with him at first, came to accept it was part of the package and he respected that, but he barely shrugged when he died.
He's defensive about his friendship with Benny, but by my count that brings him up to 2.5 (grudging acceptance of Garth is the half--if he'd sit down and have a beercoffee with him, or something, I'd upgrade it) but none of them are friends in a "I should get more of these" way.
He was hanging around Frank enough to pick up hacking tricks from him and such. I don't think it was a bum-around-and-have-beers-together kind of thing, but by that point his social circle was Sam's crazy ass, so I read it as an urge for companionship.