I'm trying to work out my response to Misha repeatedly saying that S8 is when we find out Dean's a bottom.

This is a surprise? :)

But for the short-handing purposes of one episode of TV? I got the idea and that was about it.

Well, I guess that's the risk. I didn't get the idea that Dean was the one with an attachment disorder--Garth looked like the OTT one to me there. I do think there was a middle ground of doing Bobby's job (totally fair) instead of acting like a crazy person.

But I get the impression people like Garth more than I do. I find him kinda exhausting. It's great you don't have to be fit or agile or book smart or people smart to be a hunter, but way to deflate the gig, guys.

But wearing the clothes and aping the speech patterns of the deceased isn't healthy, uh, self-actualised behaviour. If Sam or Dean did that, we'd think it way strange, no?

Isn't that what Dean does? Wear the clothes, drive the car, and listen to the music his Dad did?

I know that point was made by Sam (under the influence of a ghost or somesuch) at some point, but I think that after a few years, once that's fully adopted, it becomes irrelevant. At this point in time, if that was ever true, Dean has fully assimilated whatever John-attributes he was assimilating. And from over a lot longer period of time. Probably from the age of 4.

And don't kids do that? Learn from their parents?

My older brother and dad fight like cats and dogs, and they're the most the same, even down to their engineering-type OCD. I think my older brother fought hard to be not like dad, and yet he is, except with drugs.

I'd say if it's your parent whose shoes you're trying to fill, a bit of mimicry is more understandable.

Isn't that what Dean does? Wear the clothes, drive the car, and listen to the music his Dad did?

You mean reflect a lot of the traits, values, and habits that were displayed during the formative years of his upbringing, especially an upbringing with few other constant influences? Yes.

Do you think that's what Garth is doing? Is his bond to Bobby comparable to Dean's with John? By length of time? Intensity of exposure? Do you think the narrative would support a non-Winchester (or Milligan) telling Dean to snap out of it and stop feeling like he had any more claim to his father's memory than anyone else?

By which I mean to say that I see a HUGE difference between incorporating a lifetime of leadership, parenthood, and hero-worship into your character, and living a life, meeting a dude, and incorporating what characteristics you glean into your own already-formed personality (blank as it may seem to be).

Or, you know, what ita ! said.

To be fair, I think people are harshing on Garth a bit. He obviously knew Bobby, he'd worked with him in the past, we don't know how extensively, it may have been more than a few times, maybe not, but it was definitely enough that he reconized Bobby's speech patterns. Enough times to know about the multiple phones and the role that Bobby played in the community. And somehow he came into possession of at least some of Bobby's invaluable books. Yes, the Winchesters will always and forever be Bobby's boys, but that does not mean that Bobby didn't have other people in his life (Rufus, for example) who were also important to him.

People harshing on Garth may be a bit unfair, but so far in this thread the harshing seems warranted and taken with a grain of salt.

I dig the "he was a bit creepy and needed a bit of a smackdown from Dean" and I dig Dean getting schooled on not owning Bobby's memory (and I love the look of respect/acknowledgment he gives Garth at that point).

But, yeah, there's filling a role (the phones/backup/knowledge-base) and then there's, as has been said, aping him. Which is insulting to Bobby as well as those surviving him.

But my takeaway from the ep was good vibes for Garth, and I loved that he got BALLS right in the end.