Everyone's getting spanked but me.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Cass - Nov 10, 2012 2:53:48 pm PST #26945 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Nope. This episode was the most we've found out about how he got into the game. Dean just called him a hunter he'd worked with.

After the one-off mention from Bobby about Garth, we really meet him in Season Seven Time for a Wedding and since I hated that ep, I don't remember a lot of it but wikis helped remind me. But I sort of thought he had baby duckling imprinted on Dean when we meet him again in Party On, Garth. I mean not well since his car isn't as cool, music isn't as cool, EMF detector doesn't work and he gets hammered off half of a beer but I thought he was aspiring to be like Dean. It was a little creepy when I thought he transferred that into being like Bobby but he was more a blank slate to me than actual canon actually implies. Like noodles, you can flavor them with most anything.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2012 3:13:45 pm PST #26946 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He killed the tooth fairy and became a hunter before he met Dean. I don't know if it's nicer to think of him imprinting on Dean, but--was he a blank slate until he met Dean, or did he replace someone with Dean's persona?

I feel pretty comfortable thinking we saw many of the important parts of Bobby's life, but I've been assuming that people like Garth or the foxhole hottie have whole non-Winchester existences.


Amy - Nov 10, 2012 3:19:30 pm PST #26947 of 30002
Because books.

That Big Bang reference is awesome. I hadn't seen that.

I didn't get a creepy vibe off Garth at all. A lot of people model themselves on others, especially people they respect or admire. It's not necessarily the most mature behavior, but I think it was well-intentioned. He's trying to provide something familiar to people who are grieving, and I think he knows that Dean and Sam are probably the hardest hit.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2012 3:30:26 pm PST #26948 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't believe there's a dark or corruptible bone in Garth's (very slender) body. But wearing the clothes and aping the speech patterns of the deceased isn't healthy, uh, self-actualised behaviour. If Sam or Dean did that, we'd think it way strange, no? Dean holding onto the flask was bad enough. But providing something familiar by using (weirdly) the same swear words a year after someone's death? I might try and loosen their grasp on "other" a bit. It's been a year. And either he didn't hang out with Bobby enough to know how he used it, or he's that blind to subtleties, both of which would make me itch especially if it was my father they were badly reproducing.


Amy - Nov 10, 2012 3:33:44 pm PST #26949 of 30002
Because books.

If it were real life, it would be creepy. But for the short-handing purposes of one episode of TV? I got the idea and that was about it.


Vortex - Nov 10, 2012 3:43:03 pm PST #26950 of 30002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I'm trying to work out my response to Misha repeatedly saying that S8 is when we find out Dean's a bottom.

This is a surprise? :)


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2012 3:56:17 pm PST #26951 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But for the short-handing purposes of one episode of TV? I got the idea and that was about it.

Well, I guess that's the risk. I didn't get the idea that Dean was the one with an attachment disorder--Garth looked like the OTT one to me there. I do think there was a middle ground of doing Bobby's job (totally fair) instead of acting like a crazy person.

But I get the impression people like Garth more than I do. I find him kinda exhausting. It's great you don't have to be fit or agile or book smart or people smart to be a hunter, but way to deflate the gig, guys.


Morgana - Nov 10, 2012 5:03:06 pm PST #26952 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

But wearing the clothes and aping the speech patterns of the deceased isn't healthy, uh, self-actualised behaviour. If Sam or Dean did that, we'd think it way strange, no?

Isn't that what Dean does? Wear the clothes, drive the car, and listen to the music his Dad did?


Juliebird - Nov 10, 2012 5:10:44 pm PST #26953 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I know that point was made by Sam (under the influence of a ghost or somesuch) at some point, but I think that after a few years, once that's fully adopted, it becomes irrelevant. At this point in time, if that was ever true, Dean has fully assimilated whatever John-attributes he was assimilating. And from over a lot longer period of time. Probably from the age of 4.

And don't kids do that? Learn from their parents?

My older brother and dad fight like cats and dogs, and they're the most the same, even down to their engineering-type OCD. I think my older brother fought hard to be not like dad, and yet he is, except with drugs.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 10, 2012 5:11:01 pm PST #26954 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd say if it's your parent whose shoes you're trying to fill, a bit of mimicry is more understandable.