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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Cass - Nov 08, 2012 3:47:24 pm PST #26908 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Shouldn't they, like, burn the hat?

Is it still considered a personal item if you left it somewhere before you died? Because if so, yeah. But if anything a person ever owned could keep them around as a ghost there needs to be a lot of property going up in flames every time someone dies.


JenP - Nov 08, 2012 3:54:26 pm PST #26909 of 30002

Also a good point. I'd say if you give something to someone, it becomes theirs, so yeah. I wonder whether all their ghost killing tracks that way. Not enough to do the research, because lazy.


Atropa - Nov 08, 2012 4:03:47 pm PST #26910 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

But if anything a person ever owned could keep them around as a ghost there needs to be a lot of property going up in flames every time someone dies.

t lurking, because I'm over a season behind

Most ghost-lore is centered around it being an item that was important to the ghost. Which means that for future reference, if I don't become an immortal vampire witch queen, my top hat and Clovis are going to be the haunted items.


Vortex - Nov 08, 2012 4:08:25 pm PST #26911 of 30002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, if I put on your top hat, I will become possessed by your fabulous?


-t - Nov 08, 2012 4:21:10 pm PST #26912 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Like Frosty the Snowman, but pinkly goth!


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2012 4:32:36 pm PST #26913 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

at this point I don't trust the writers not to pull character retcons out of their ass.

What would make you think that at this very early point they would be changing what their goal originally was with Amelia and Benny (and Cas)? And why would you think it's a retcon or an asspull--there's absolutely no way we'd ever know, because we've had one episode where Benny said he wouldn't. They haven't established enough with any of the three of them that we'd ever know without inside information that pretty muh anything would be a retcon.

I know it's the thing to do to think that showrunners are just being convenient and reactive, but what is giving you the impression that "at this point" Carver would do anything at all? Has he displayed major showrunning/plotting asspulls in the past? How has he established a pattern for anything 6 episodes in? And even if it had still been in Gamble's hands, what would she have done in two seasons and 6 episodes to earn the distrust.?


Typo Boy - Nov 08, 2012 4:43:09 pm PST #26914 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

What they have done with the boys since the beginnng of the season. It is not just a matter of not liking it. It does not make sense to me.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2012 4:50:01 pm PST #26915 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But what does that have to do with retconning in general, and retconning Benny in particular?


Typo Boy - Nov 08, 2012 4:55:14 pm PST #26916 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It has to do with lack of trust.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2012 5:11:01 pm PST #26917 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Lack of trust based on things you know of Carver from before this season? I guess I just don't know enough about either Carver or the season to tell the difference between "Benny was always going to fall off the wagon" and "they changed their minds about Benny drinking blood". And I don't know how we'd ever know the difference. How could that ever fit the definition of an asspull or a retcon? It's pure and simple something that hasn't happened yet. An asspull/retcon would be "he's been killing humans all this time" and even so, given his limited screentime, I'd still not be able to tell the difference--how are you able to differentiate?

Also we seem to be firmly in the "But what really happened over the hellatus? What's motivating the boys to act like this?" territory, in which the show has put us more than once before (soul-loss, hell-torturing, blood-drinking, Crowley-bonding), and I still don't know if there's more to the story or if this is all the explanation we get.

Unrelatedly, I think Show should GIVE THE FUCK UP and spell Cas right. Sheeit. The majority has spoken, and...hmm. Let me try it and see how it works.