That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Cass - Oct 16, 2012 1:17:45 pm PDT #26605 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

TNT showed the pilot today. Of course I recorded it to watch. I own it on dvd, yeah. But it was ON.

In part, my dvd player died and so it's not a simple thing to pop in a dvd. But I ripped all of season one to my laptop and could pop that to my tv easily.

God, that fight scene intro. I'm watching it twice. At least.


§ ita § - Oct 16, 2012 6:10:54 pm PDT #26606 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Don't you think you should avoid tagging this story so it shows up in the D/C listing in AO3?

Sam's wife Jess dies in a tragic accident, leaving him and their autistic daughter Leigh heartbroken. After living with Sam's brother for a year, Sam decides to get a fresh start in his life and start moving on from the terrible loss. He moves into an apartment in the heart of the city that only has one real blessing about it: the bakery across the street. The coffee there is the best Sam's ever tasted and the pastries are absolutely to die for. Best of all, it's owned by two brothers, Gabriel and Castiel Novak, and Leigh is immediately smitten with them. The brothers are equally taken by her and they soon become Sam's closest friends. They help him raise Leigh and, at the same time, get his life back on track. Along the way, Sam finds himself drawn particularly to Gabriel, who's crude, loud, obnoxious, and nothing like what he's usually attracted to.

There should be a "but not in an important way" disclaimer tag.


Anne W. - Oct 17, 2012 1:29:58 am PDT #26607 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Don't you think you should avoid tagging this story so it shows up in the D/C listing in AO3?

Not necessarily. If it's a key (even if small) part of the story, the author can tag. Some people use tags to avoid pairings they can't stand in any way. I've seen authors get chewed out for not tagging an incidental pairing.

That said, yeah, it would have been nice if the author said "background D/C" in the tags.


§ ita § - Oct 17, 2012 4:30:54 am PDT #26608 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm actually curious to see how much D/C there is in a story where she seems to so markedly shy away from using Dean's name in the summary. I mean, not referring to events in his life is fine--it's a Sam story. But when you write a summary that means the story could be Adam...well, shit, there's no brother of Sam/anyone pairing important enough for the summary--there should be a way to keep if from distracting the people who are looking for stories with enough D/C in them to trip a detector.


Amy - Oct 17, 2012 4:39:27 am PDT #26609 of 30002
Because books.

TVGuide asks if Wincest is dead.


Juliebird - Oct 17, 2012 6:18:12 am PDT #26610 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I never saw Wincest on the screen, I don't own those slash goggles, so is the writer using it as a sensationalist term for the Jared/Jensen chemistry that translated to such a strong brotherly bond onscreen?


§ ita § - Oct 17, 2012 7:41:54 am PDT #26611 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They're using it as shorthand for the brotherly bond. I eyeroll that they have to go to an incest place for that. Lots of people are in it for the bond. Fewer for the brotherfucking.


le nubian - Oct 17, 2012 10:46:50 am PDT #26612 of 30002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

TVGuide asks if Wincest is dead.

I hope so.


§ ita § - Oct 17, 2012 11:15:19 am PDT #26613 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I hope not. I mean, I don't want it to be the face of the fandom, but I think it's a measure of the health of our show/fandom whether us non-partakers like it or not.

Either the people who dig it leave, or the brothers don't have enough isolation, intimacy, and good looks (that kinda covers the angles?) to inspire it anymore. I don't want that sort of fandom exodus, and I don't want the things that make them go there to not be in the show anymore.

And given the reflexive requests for incest fic (like, from looking at a picture of the Hansel and Gretel movie) I guess it's just a bigger kink than I'd ever imagined. I thought it was a Hardy Boys (I now recall this...)/SPN/GOT/HP thing. But by the time there are 4 exceptions, we're not excepting so much any more.

Back in the day, as an x phile you were pretty much a shipper or a No Romo, right? Was there ever a term for people not into Wincest? Even used in the most remote Wincest corners?


le nubian - Oct 17, 2012 11:22:57 am PDT #26614 of 30002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

To be sure: I want the brothers relationship solid and strong, but I'd like all hints of a sexual relationship with the brothers to die.