Don't kill anyone if you don't have to. We're here to make a deal.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Cass - Oct 04, 2012 3:29:33 pm PDT #26530 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Basically, Sam should have taken his Sasquatch ass over to Sheriff Mills, screwed her brains out--and then they fight crime.

Totally in favor of this.

I'm happy with platonic but that's just not how that Benny and Dean call was played. It was like, you know what we had was good and all but no one can know here. Very down low. Oh, shippers can call them Bean.


Amy - Oct 04, 2012 3:35:36 pm PDT #26531 of 30002
Because books.

Oh, shippers can call them Bean.

Hush, you.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2012 3:47:26 pm PDT #26532 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Oh, shippers can call them Bean.

Throw in Cas, and there's a Jim Beam joke in there somewhere.

From a meta standpoint . . . I know we've had convos about how hard it is to be a television writer, and that they don't have the luxury to think things through like dedicated fans do (especially with our luxurious 20/20). But, there's this hiatus between seasons. Surely there's mulling and plotting and thinking, so that at least the starting point and general outline are somewhat thought-through? I just can't concieve that something this thoughtless and smushed came out of the gate. Like, I could see Carver and Edlund saying "these are our plot points and thematic notes, hit them" and then some newbie writers with no investment in the characters setting forth into uncharted territories, hitting those notes, but mashing things about to make them fit because they just don't know the characters or the history.

But for these particular dudes to be so wildly off-base is just baffling.

Just to go back to vet-lady: what was supposed to be the takeaway? Were we supposed to hate her? Was she just a nothing in service of getting Sam to be a dog owner? Were we supposed to find her sassy and hard-hitting and, like, Sam's soul-mate? Because 1) yes, that happened, hateses. 2) coulda been done better and simpler without the need for eye-gouging, and 3) nope, nuh-uh, fail, do not pass go.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2012 3:56:00 pm PDT #26533 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

You know, I thought I'd be mostly torn up about how this ep seems to imply that Cas is dead, and that he didn't go out in a good way, and that this season would just be teasing us with flashbacks to an already dead character who was beloved but meets an inevitable but ingnominious death and that it would be a whimper of a send-off. That was my fear after seeing the sneak peak (and why I said "mean!").

While this season opener in it's entirety doesn't lessen that fear, it sure as f*** overshadows it.

And I do like Benny. He's sexy as hell. But I'm sad as all get-out that Dean has a rebound boyfriend already.


Amy - Oct 04, 2012 4:19:43 pm PDT #26534 of 30002
Because books.

But for these particular dudes to be so wildly off-base is just baffling.

You have to remember that not everyone felt that way.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2012 4:35:40 pm PDT #26535 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

You have to remember that not everyone felt that way.

Natch. I'd think that's half the point of the discussion. I don't get it, someone disagrees, and my best hope is that the ones who get what I didn't might eventually explain their viewpoint in terms that I finally understand, and I either change my stance, or just accept to disagree. Right now, I'm still baffled.


JenP - Oct 04, 2012 4:37:16 pm PDT #26536 of 30002

I am not that unhappy with the present state of the Winchesters, actually, but Sheriff Mills would have made so much sense.

I am in complete agreement.

Yeah, I didn't find them wildly off-base. I could understand how each was behaving even though I still have questions about what happened with Sam.


Typo Boy - Oct 04, 2012 5:25:27 pm PDT #26537 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Huh. And I thought Dean's "I saw enough" was a flashing clue that Castiel was still alive. Dean did not see him die, so we don't really know that he is dead. Even if Dean is not deliberately using misleading phrasing, it still leaves room for him to be wrong.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 04, 2012 5:47:35 pm PDT #26538 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Why am I visualizing Cas just giving up on taking action since it never seems to work out for him and dispersing himself into the flora and fauna of Purgatory?


Anne W. - Oct 05, 2012 1:26:58 am PDT #26539 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

And I thought Dean's "I saw enough" was a flashing clue that Castiel was still alive. Dean did not see him die, so we don't really know that he is dead. Even if Dean is not deliberately using misleading phrasing, it still leaves room for him to be wrong.

That's exactly what I came away thinking. I'm dying to know why Dean is being evasive about the details - it is simply because losing Castiel was traumatic in and of itself, or is something else going on?