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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Anne W. - Oct 04, 2012 1:24:28 pm PDT #26521 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I thought he was leaving for other reasons, and was completely surprised to see Dean there. I did not think he was aware that Dean would be in the cabin.

So the question is, why was he sneaking out to go to the cabin? What was he expecting to find?


Amy - Oct 04, 2012 1:27:00 pm PDT #26522 of 30002
Because books.

I didn't get the impression he was expecting to find anything. My impression was that he was either leaving because the situation was untenable (and the cabin is the only "home" he has left) or he was going off for a weekend on his own, although the look on his face and the sad music says otherwise.

If Sam knew Dean was there and they had some kind of contact before that meeting, it was really poor writing. The reunion is the scene you show, whether it's on the phone or not.


Anne W. - Oct 04, 2012 1:30:51 pm PDT #26523 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

it was really poor writing.

Given some other things that bugged me, I'm going with this until proven otherwise. I thought the general narrative arc and character arcs were very satisfying, but the details of the execution were lacking.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2012 1:33:01 pm PDT #26524 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

See, I got the impression that Sam was meeting Dean from a prearranged something, what with his whole "dude, no need for tests, I know it's you", and then his freak out about how he's amazed that Dean is alive was more of a "I knew it in theory, but now you're here in the flesh and blood reality, how crazy and wonderful is this?!".


JenP - Oct 04, 2012 1:45:01 pm PDT #26525 of 30002

I definitely had the impression that it was a prearranged meet. Now I'll have to go back and see whey. Poor me.


§ ita § - Oct 04, 2012 2:30:51 pm PDT #26526 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm hoping for some clarification later, but yes, that would have been good to have up front.

Exactly. I'm probably being too meta about this, but..."There must be a good reason--I know Sam, and he's perfectly capable of making good decisions when his brother shuffles off this mortal coil" is really not cutting it for me.

If they were aiming for the tension of an inevitable reveal, they missed my mark, that's for sure. If both brothers wander too far off the path, and there's no one left to be on the path--I'm futless. I don't think those are good audience feels. If it was a 2 hour premiere, mayhap. But it was never going to be--it's not even an "continued next week..."

I'm thinking of a Tabula Rasa-esque episode, where I'm left thinking "I don't know these people. Can someone call me when my people show up? Or someone goes shirtless?"

As for how they both ended up ag the cabin at the same time--good god. If it's a case of the "No Significant Conversations Off Camera" rule, meaning that revelatory communication doesn't happen if there's no room for a Steadicam--I will barf.

Any clue that Dean could lay to get Sam out there either tips Sam off that it's Dean, or gets ignored because Sam's out of the family business.

And, the Family Business I watch for means "If you're in the family, it's your business." That's the Winchester/Campbell/Singer shit I like.

Basically, Sam should have taken his Sasquatch ass over to Sheriff Mills, screwed her brains out--and then they fight crime.

And now I'm trying to work out what Ameilia knows that Sam can waltz out in the middle of the night and be gone without apparently a call or a text for however long this is going to be. So far, Benny+Dean seems a more viable ship, and just typing that makes me throw up a little in my mouth.


-t - Oct 04, 2012 2:38:21 pm PDT #26527 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Basically, Sam should have taken his Sasquatch ass over to Sheriff Mills, screwed her brains out--and then they fight crime.

I was just thinking that they should have gone that way.

I am not that unhappy with the present state of the Winchesters, actually, but Sheriff Mills would have made so much sense.


Juliebird - Oct 04, 2012 2:38:57 pm PDT #26528 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Speaking of Benny, that final phone call bugged me. It felt so much of "I canna have you, we mustest part, but I want you, so I shall call thee and protest our connection, alas". So, other than shipping the heck out of those two (I feel kinda bad that platonic brothers-in-arms no longer exists in my brain. If there's bro-yay, there's Ho!yay. Yo. And that's why I ship Winters and Dixon) I don't get the motivation behind the call. I'm sure that eventually we'll see their connection, but that was an exceedingly needy call IMHO for even foe!yay!.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 04, 2012 2:47:34 pm PDT #26529 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Honestly, one of the things that bothers me most is how the hell anyone (or thing) is killed in purgatory. According the alpha vamp, way back in S6, it's where the souls of dead evil things go. So ... they shouldn't really have bodies, first of all, but also ... they're already dead. So when Dean kills them, what happens then?

Castiel said it's where the souls of monsters prey on each other eternally. Maybe once they get over the shock and realize they're not more dead than they were prior to beheading, they pull themselves back together? Or are reincarnated elsewhere in Purgatory?

I was actually a bit disappointed that the monsters we saw seemed so in possession of themselves: speaking, wielding weapons, wearing clean (if dated) clothes, etc. They could just as easily have been rolling Dean in a an alley in any crime-ridden city. I'd like to have seen something more like when Angel vamped out in Pylea - really primal and animalistic.


Cass - Oct 04, 2012 3:29:33 pm PDT #26530 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Basically, Sam should have taken his Sasquatch ass over to Sheriff Mills, screwed her brains out--and then they fight crime.

Totally in favor of this.

I'm happy with platonic but that's just not how that Benny and Dean call was played. It was like, you know what we had was good and all but no one can know here. Very down low. Oh, shippers can call them Bean.