Yeah, I can see that there's wrapup, but I'd really like it to be that. Working with him--repetitive and hypocritical. Working against him--they're outclassed and somewhat repetitive and perhaps hypocritical.

I don't mind seeing more of Meg, but I want them to be *real* careful about why she's still alive. I don't want her to die, but I don't want the boys too compromised. Not more compromised than is delicious.

And, yeah, toning down the power level would be great. I don't mind if it's still an awful arc, but I don't mind if it's a bit more personally awful...though I flinch as I type that. I might not be strong enough to withstand it.

Vampire Diaries seems to continually have crises that are one or two lives (or love lives) big--I don't want it like that. But a whole new dimension and the entire planet sort of thing--there comes a point at which the Winchesters are not your guys. Either they fail, or someone better suited to the job should take over.

Oh, and Gabe is still dead. Don't get any ideas.

Yeah, much as I love Richard Speight, I don't need to see Gabriel (or really any angels aside from Cas) again.

Meg could be used in a couple of interesting ways, but I have no idea where they're going. I think I'm more willing to have her around as a "devil you know" sort of friend, though.

Fact-checking here--it is correct to say that Sam and Dean defeated the king of hell, right? I mean, just because someone else has the job now doesn't mean caging Lucifer again doesn't count?

And, wow, googling Sam Dean Chuck Supernatural is pretty damned useless. Apparently there was no frame with all three of them.

Alpen:

I think I'm more willing to have her around as a "devil you know" sort of friend, though.

I don't want them to have friends like this, though. I want to know, clearly, why she doesn't get killed. If she's not evil, I don't like her anymore, and if she's evil and they don't kill her--weill, I still like them, but you know. Issue.

If she's not evil, I don't like her anymore, and if she's evil and they don't kill her--weill, I still like them, but you know. Issue.

Evil or not, I think she's a gray area (now -- not initially, not in S1). Her current brand of evil reminds me of Crowley's -- not really focused on chaos or pain, but with self-interest driving her.

And at this point, I see Sam and Dean needing any supernatural allies with any power that they can depend on, more or less. Their resources are stretched way thin.

If she's not evil, I don't like her anymore, and if she's evil and they don't kill her--weill, I still like them, but you know. Issue.

Evil or not, I think she's a gray area (now -- not initially, not in S1). Her current brand of evil reminds me of Crowley's -- not really focused on chaos or pain, but with self-interest driving her.

And at this point, I see Sam and Dean needing any supernatural allies with any power that they can depend on, more or less. Their resources are stretched way thin.

I want to see her and Crowley hurt people. I want people to suffer as a result of their actions, even if it's not their primary motive. I want them to be demonic.

It's sort of how I want vampires to be like Joss's vampires, or--like Lenore--struggling to not be a blight on humanity.

I guess it might mean less Meg, and that's sad, but I just want bad.

If Dean died now, he'd spend thirty years in line until, what, he cut ahead? I don't like the grey. If I was going to bitch at anything over the past two years, it would be the nicificiation of Hell.

I guess I think that the writers mean to differentiate between levels of evil, or what makes up evil. But I think they've also shown that good isn't always snow white, too.

They established these characters, and developed them in the way that they did purposely.

It's sort of how I want vampires to be like Joss's vampires

We still get those, too.

We still get those, too.

But it seems that when they repeat characters across seasons, either they're the bad to take down, or they get neutered.

developed them in the way that they did purposely

Well, I'm not assuming anything gets written by mistake. I'm just explaining why their choices are ineffective for me.

I mean, honestly--how can you change Hell to irritating and boring? If Sam hadn't been locked in with Lucifer and Michael, it might not have been that bad. Lucifer knows how to bring it. But what Dean went through simply isn't there any more. They've taken away one of the extremes--it's not just Crowley that's changed, it's the universe.

I'm assuming that a Crowley that ran an old-style Hell would be too much for Cas to deal with and come back from, never mind him coming back himself? I felt in the end we had Cas doing worse things than Crowley, once his death toll piled up, with the angels with faces--Balthazar and Rachel were his people. Meanwhile Crowley's doing some torture of the other side, but has changed hell to standing around...and then Cas is slaughtering angels to establish his position.

It's awry. Crowley's not working for me anymore.

Meg was just on the border for me. I dig her needing protection, etc, at the end of the season, and the boys needing her more alive than cleaning house and killing her, and hope whatever Crowley's doing to her doesn't bore her to death.

But it seems that when they repeat characters across seasons, either they're the bad to take down, or they get neutered.

The problem with that is, a pure villain is boring after a while, and not that believable. If they were dodging Azazel for seven seasons in a row, they would have either defeated him or died of the constant Life-threatened stress.

Shoot, I forgot to add:

Well, I'm not assuming anything gets written by mistake.

I think a lot of people don't ever consider that storytelling is a lot of work. If they did, then they couldn't lobby for their own plotty desires so blatantly.