See, in my fantasy, when I'm kissing you... you're kissing me. It's okay. I can wait.

Oz ,'First Date'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Jul 27, 2012 3:20:45 pm PDT #26002 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So, I knew the story would be dodgy, because I haven't really liked the author before, and it's one of those back and forth quasi-RP ones--but given that it's one of those, not bad in how they handled it.

But not good.

The premise is an 18 year old Dean seduces a straight 29 year old Cas in a club, and then on Monday they find out that Cas is Dean's art teacher for his senior year at high school. Fine, whatever, May/December drama.

Except--secondary pairing? SAM/GABRIEL. And no, no changes to birth order, or to the canon age gap between Sam and Dean. Gabe is about 32, and Sam is 14, and Gabriel gives Sam a 4 year calendar to cross off every single fucking day until he's legal. Until then, they just have long deep conversations and Sam kisses Gabriel on the cheek spontaneously from time to time.

it's very much a background pairing, but every time I remember it, it grosses me out so much that the rest of the story is spoilt. It's not like it's so good that it's worth it.

But, on the other hand, it is there...and I started it...

I am to blame for my own problems.


Amy - Jul 27, 2012 7:26:14 pm PDT #26003 of 30002
Because books.

Aw, look what Dadalecki tweeted: [link]


Juliebird - Jul 28, 2012 1:29:05 am PDT #26004 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I got lost in the blog Misha linked to about proof that he was the antichrist and cookies. I am saddened about the lack of brain function in the ensuing posts on both sides of the increasingly spiraling topic.

So, for Purgatory fic, there's one where Dean has to subsist off of Castiel's blood, and one where he's actually eating Cas. Dudes, Sam was in Hell with his actual body for a century and eating wasn't an issue.

ION, of course any spawn of Gen and Jared would have exotic eyes.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 28, 2012 5:18:49 am PDT #26005 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Dudes, Sam was in Hell with his actual body for a century and eating wasn't an issue.

Actually Sam's body made it back almost immediately. Remember it was walking around without him for a year and a half topside.


Juliebird - Jul 28, 2012 6:10:40 am PDT #26006 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Doesn't negate the fact that Sam's soul and body went into the cage, and then Cas went and got his body while his soul remained behind. If Sam's body was elsewhere (somewhere in the dirt of Stull Cemetery) and Cas went to the cage to retrieve him, Cas wouldn't have come back with the body.

Which begs the question: how was Cas able to retrieve anything from the cage, and how did Sam's soul become separated from his body.


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2012 6:29:09 am PDT #26007 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If your point hinges on the fact that Sam's body was in Hell for a long time--how long was it down there? How long did it take for Cas to rescue him? Do we know that there was no eating, if eating was required? And do we know that Purgatory follows the same rules as Hell?


Juliebird - Jul 28, 2012 7:04:57 am PDT #26008 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Ah, I see my flaw. If I remember right (which I probably don't), didn't Cas pretty much go to rescue Sam the second he flapped out of Dean's car after the peace/freedom conversation? Which could still translate to a bit of time in Hell years (a week or so? Who's good at hell!math?).

That said, we know nothing.

It just bothers me that a place of death, be it for monsters or human souls, would require sustenance (I do realize that I'm still banging my head about two instances of fannon, and will have to wait to see Shows take on it). And then again, I'm back to there being actual physical undead bodies in a place of death. If Dean dies there, does he go to heaven or is his soul stuck in purgatory? Will we ever know where angels go when they die?! (Not that I want to find out with Cas!!).


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2012 7:07:23 am PDT #26009 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And there's also the question ficwriters seem to be juggling--if they're attacked in Purgatory and they slice off a vampire's head--what happens to the vampire? Does it Die die? Or disappear for a couple secs? Or not much at all? Since it's already where it goes.


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2012 7:27:15 am PDT #26010 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ugh. I just read a D/C with Daphne in it that made me feel quite dirty. It was pretty much an anti-Daphne story, dressed up as getting inside Daphne's head--her commenters seem to be reacting like we're getting her side of the story in a good way, instead of it making her look like an unsympathetic harridan. Basically it's Daphne realising she was silly to think this man could ever have loved her, he was really meant for Dean. I'm sure it's like many stories were written about Lisa a year or so earlier.

The author, though--she's clearly spellchecked, which is good, but she can't spell, which is bad. brakes are breaks, but best of all, more often than not, beer is bear.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 28, 2012 10:52:25 am PDT #26011 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Castiel referred to the monster souls preying on each other forever, so since all the ones ever created seemed to still be there when he first opened the gate I assume "death" is merely a temporary inconvenience to them at best. No idea though if they slowly reassemble themselves, recover instantly from any harm, or pop up whole somewhere else to start over like chracters in a videogame.