Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Juliebird - Jul 12, 2012 2:46:20 pm PDT #25850 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Oh god, I'm glad my reading of Sin With a Grin was mostly skimming and skipping.

The fic that ticked me off was Jude.

C.J. Cherryh was my fave author in highschool. Downbelow Station, Faded Sun, Heavy Time, The Dreaming Tree (that last one always makes me ache). The Foreigner universe.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 2:50:24 pm PDT #25851 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sin with a Grin had no emotional resonance at all. Manufactured conflict, weird casework (FBI), wooden banter, but one great piece of spy fu that got me kinda hot and bothered. So many words, so few feels...

And what the hell was the title about? I'd rather an obviously obscure-to-me song lyric with brackets in and non-standard punctuation, really. Helps stop me from trying to work out the connection.


Juliebird - Jul 12, 2012 2:56:46 pm PDT #25852 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

My biggest main issue with SwaG was that it sold itself as a cop AU, but spent a fuckton of time on fluff. Because of the skimming, I can't comment on the emotional resonance, but I'm sure you're spot-on.

Jude had lots of procedural, but made absolutely zero sense, plot-wise or emotionally.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 3:22:24 pm PDT #25853 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The part where they rolled Dean into the case they failed to exercise any competence porn on his part (Sam and Cas were uber-agents, but Dean was...a grade school teacher who had fired a gun offscreen at some point).

I also find that I'm less and less in love with Mary living--I don't think her being alive affects the stories enough. I think the boys should be more different with a mother around, especially now that we know the Campbells are generations of hunters. We don't seem to get that Mary, nor any other Campbell-fu in the stories I'm reading (scaramouche's BB is a good exception).


Juliebird - Jul 12, 2012 3:31:06 pm PDT #25854 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I honestly think that Mary living would change too much, just as WiaWNSB showed us. John doesn't become obsessed, Dean isn't forced to become Sam's primary caregiver, the boys aren't forced to live in each other's pocket. What makes the boys we know and love is gone.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 3:48:29 pm PDT #25855 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But that was a Mary that no one knew was a hunter, and managed to stay out of the hunting life.

If you keep her alive, you don't have to make those same assumptions--you know more than Dean did. And she could either fail or reconsider keeping them civilians.


Juliebird - Jul 12, 2012 3:57:31 pm PDT #25856 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

There's a dozen ways it could go. But if we stayed on the trajectory of a hunter!Mary who'd given up the life, Sam and Dean grow up differently, and don't have that codependent bond. Sure, other things could be invented to happen along the way to recreate that relationship: John dying and Mary raising the boys as hunters, John and Mary divorcing, something trying to kill Mary and the fam on the move to avoid more attacks. Etc... But an apple pie Mary and Dean and Sam being the same to each other? I don't see it.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 5:11:01 pm PDT #25857 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The key its why did Mary live, and did her parents (and all that knowledge entailed) survive, for me. There are quasi isolationist hunter families that can come out of those variables for me.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 5:43:22 pm PDT #25858 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The fuck, scaramouche? Will I enjoy pretty much anything you do with my pairing?

Though, she writes Sam/Kevin, and that freaks me out. I...no, no size kink of mine will make that okay. Sam is way too old and too big (yet Cas is not too old...don't ask...) and no....


Juliebird - Jul 13, 2012 8:51:50 am PDT #25859 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

This is great:

“You have the flu. Your immune system isn’t fighting it correctly. If you’re not careful, it will turn into ammonia."

One of the many jewels of another really bad D/C fic, guest-starring Jo Harvelle as an abusive date raper that none of the main characters seem to be able to break up with.

Also:

Castiel reeked into the toilet.