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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Jun 27, 2012 9:38:15 am PDT #25684 of 30002
Because books.

I probably should have said I just don't care that much, I guess? I love it when something in a show or a book is based in fact, but Castiel's official role in heaven doesn't really mean anything to me in the larger scheme of things.

Although I would like to know what an angel of Thursday does. Protect Thursday? Protect children born on that day?

Also, isn't "Castiel" (the word) used in a S1 or S2 episode when they're doing an exorcism or something? I could swear it was, which makes me wonder if it was just a cool-sounding word/name they ran with.

Found it on SuperWiki: "Castiel's name is first mentioned in the Season 3 episode 3.06 Red Sky At Morning during the graveyard scene where Sam reads aloud a summoning ritual from his father's journal. He speaks the names of several angels during the ritual, and one of them is Castiel."


§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 9:53:05 am PDT #25685 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like when I'm able to plausibly build out a universe--whether it's for fanworks or meta--because the showrunners have a decent bible and cite their sources.

I'm not saying they have to restrict themselves, or anything, but lots of people have clear Christianity expectations. Is it usually worth it to violate those? When Castiel says this is a Metatron issue, I think it's stronger because whether it's religion or Kevin Smith movies, some people have a sense of recognition, and it fleshes your story out without you having to do that particular legwork. And it's just nice!

I mean, when someone says "there are probably hunter therapists" you're thinking "Okay, that's random, and WTF?" But if you're poring over texts to try and predict who they're going to announce as the fourth archangel, or the other things the Colt can't kill...I dunno. Free shibboleth?

(I'm all about the shibboleth these days)

(And argot)


Amy - Jun 27, 2012 10:00:07 am PDT #25686 of 30002
Because books.

You're making me look things up.


Juliebird - Jun 27, 2012 10:43:41 am PDT #25687 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

The D/C circus AU that I'm in the middle of has some brilliant mapping of canon.


Beverly - Jun 27, 2012 11:18:56 am PDT #25688 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Well, Thursday's Child has far to go*. I've always thought that had a lot to do with him being the angel of Thursday, and Castiel's journey of self-discovery.

*Monday's Child is fair of face
Tuesday's Child is full of grace
Wednesday's Child is full of woe (thus, Wednesday Addams)
Thursday's Child has far to go
Friday's Child is loving and giving
Saturday's Child has to work for its living
But the Child that's born on the Sabbath Day is bonny and blithe and good and gay.

Take that last as you will.


Ginger - Jun 27, 2012 11:26:15 am PDT #25689 of 30002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I was born on Sunday, which blasts the hell out of that theory.


Beverly - Jun 27, 2012 12:40:34 pm PDT #25690 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Eh. Some of us think you're pretty bonny and blithe, even if it's a sort of bitteresque bonny and blithe.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2012 2:45:28 pm PDT #25691 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wow. I'm looking at Daggomus Prime's illos for the D/C circus AU, and...I don't like it. I really don't like it. I've never disliked any of her stuff strongly, but her attempt at a more painterly style for these fanarts seem to have lost much of what I liked of her stuff (such strong shapes, such great lines), and it doesn't feel to me like she's mastered the principles. The painting looks awkward, not harmonious.

And when I looked at the first figure on her banner piece, the question went through my mind--"Why is that man dressed like a ballerina?"

I'm out of the fanart loop these days, so I don't know if there's be a progression that ended her up here, or what. But I am disappointed. She's usually such an easy win for me--she's where I first got into the groove of fanart Winchesters not looking like Jensen and Jared, since she put so much character in that it was still Dean and Sam.

Not getting that vibe here.

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I hope the story is good, though.


Juliebird - Jun 28, 2012 3:10:29 pm PDT #25692 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

When I first saw the art, I thought it was Dean in drag. Which, given part of the story, wasn't farfetched.

That's one point of the story that I'm hung up on, due to the vagueries.

So Dean got involved in a freak show that involved sex acts. Was he forced to sodomize other performers, or was he the one sodomized. It's hard to tell at the end (and I totally didn't get the Hershey reference until someone asked a question about it in the author's notes) and I'm not sure if it matters which.

But, my god did I hate Ruby to a violent death and was sad that that didn't actually happen.

But otherwise I was delighted at the fresh take on the way bits of canon were mapped into this 'verse. A little shaken, a little stirred. And I amazingly didn't hate Gabriel.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2012 4:34:30 pm PDT #25693 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I found the story lacking in emotion (except for hatred--when she went season 4, she went very season 4--I'm picky about my season 4, and this wasn't it). It was a nice time spent in Dean's head, but Dean lacks so much perspective, and she didn't really cast all that much light...If you're going to be that deeply in someone's PoV, there has to still be some way to translate for Deanish, but I felt like she just left out the things that Dean didn't get. And then, was totally vague about things Dean did know.

I don't feel curious about that, all told. I just feel manipulated. The clues she left were too opaque for me.

I guess that first picture could be Dean in drag, having read the story, but that's not even good. The face is mannish, but those aren't the same person's arms on both sides of that poster.

All in all the entire package wasn't my thing.

Oh, and about the way Dean save Sam--you can kill a *liger* with knives described as small as those? I wasn't feeling that either.