Xander: Look who's got a bad case of Dark Prince envy. Dracula: Leave us. Xander: No, we're not going to "Leabbb you." And where'd you get that accent, Sesame Street? "One, Two, Three - three victims! Maw ha ha!"

'Lessons'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 7:01:32 am PDT #25597 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha! I found the article in question: [link] Is this the one you were thinking of? It's definitely the one I had in mind.


Amy - Jun 21, 2012 7:10:35 am PDT #25598 of 30002
Because books.

That's the one, although I think I only saw a piece of it on Tumblr. I didn't get as far as the four-act manga explanation, which does make more sense now.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 7:22:03 am PDT #25599 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Same here. And now I want examples of the kishotenketsu, so I can get a feel for what it means.

I do think the premise of its manifestation in the actual world of things happening (I think some people call it the "real" world, but that's so judgemental, isn't it?) is a bit...optimistic. Does it even really apply to how people parse history?

Surely we're not more violent (or feeling more violent) than Japan because all our stories are an odd number of acts. (If you need any other instances of summing things up more than they bear, I can be reached at my profile email address, and am happy to trivialise any complex position you wish).


Amy - Jun 21, 2012 7:25:34 am PDT #25600 of 30002
Because books.

It's just a different approach, and if you dug into it deep enough, you'd find motivations there that would probably serve as conflict anyway. (i.e. Why did he get the other guy a soda? Is he guilty about something? Is he in love? Does he owe him a drink?)

Whatever you want to call it, I just want a story to move somehow. Even in PWP, at least you get the action of the, uh, act itself, and the participants' reactions, which are (when they're done right) character notes.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 7:28:36 am PDT #25601 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah--I'm wondering if it's a different lens or a different structure, I guess. And for that, I need examples.


Amy - Jun 21, 2012 12:08:10 pm PDT #25602 of 30002
Because books.

It's ... both, I think? I'd have to see examples, too.


Juliebird - Jun 21, 2012 2:59:12 pm PDT #25603 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Things are getting hot and heavy in this particular fic. One character pulls out his duck.

I immediately thought, "that poor duck!" and had to skip to the end of the scene so I wouldn't be traumatized.


Juliebird - Jun 21, 2012 3:31:28 pm PDT #25604 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Coffee.

Dean song came up on my playlist. "Orange Sky" by Alexi Murdoch.

"Well I had a dream I stood beneath an orange sky With my brother standing by I said Brother, you know you know It’s a long road we’ve been walking on Brother you know it is you know it is Such a long road we’ve been walking on

But sister you know I’m so weary And you know sister My hearts been broken Sometimes, sometimes My mind is too strong to carry on Too strong to carry on

When I am alone When I’ve thrown off the weight of this crazy stone When I've lost all care for the things I own That's when I miss you, that's when I miss you You who are my home And here is what I know now Here is what I know now Goes like this... In your love, my salvation lies In your love, in your love, in your love"

I'm explaining the sister stuff as Jo reappearing from the dead in that episode I can't bring myself to watch again.

Hell, maybe it's a Sam song, too. It's mutual, after all. I guess as a Dean!girl my mind goes to him first.

Man, I'd love to see a gen vid to this.


Amy - Jun 21, 2012 3:38:15 pm PDT #25605 of 30002
Because books.

One character pulls out his duck? What does that mean?


Amy - Jun 21, 2012 3:47:25 pm PDT #25606 of 30002
Because books.

LOOK at the beard. He's a total mountain moose now. I approve.