Or maybe you could just be Buffy, he'll see your amazing heart, and he'll fall in love with you.

Xander ,'Get It Done'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - Jun 18, 2012 12:40:30 pm PDT #25560 of 30002
Because books.

And I can totally handwave that as Sam being young and grieving and resentful. Because that's just the kind of fan I am.


Amy - Jun 19, 2012 5:56:01 am PDT #25561 of 30002
Because books.

The layout/type on this tumblr is horrifying, but what the poster is suggesting is sort of fascinating: that Crowley is not a demon, but an archangel, Samael.


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2012 8:39:34 am PDT #25562 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I tend to not like Crowley-is-an-angel theories/stories, mostly because they tend to be Good Omen lifts, and/or a way to un-evil or further power him up.

The main reason I think that isn't true is because it's more attention to the lore than the writers have ever paid. I'd be surprised if they started how (or had been doing so on the down low the whole time).

Doesn't mean you can't fit it in, but I do seem to recall they established there were only four archangels, all of whom are spoken for at the moment.


Amy - Jun 19, 2012 8:46:00 am PDT #25563 of 30002
Because books.

Now that I look it up, she's wrong anyway -- Samael is an archangel, and the angel of death, in Talmudic lore, but in the New Testament he's essentially Satan, aka Lucifer.

It seems that Jewish scripture names a lot more archangels than the New Testament does, too.

I thought it was interesting for a minute, though. There are things they skipped entirely with Crowley, like no smoking out, no red eyes. At least they've consistently skipped them?


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2012 9:21:27 am PDT #25564 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He hasn't smoked out because he's never abandoned a vessel. It's not a meaningful omission. And they seemed to imply that demons can appear and disappear just offscreen when they need to, but he's the only it's been stressed with.


Amy - Jun 19, 2012 9:25:57 am PDT #25565 of 30002
Because books.

If all demons could just disappear, why do they smoke out then? See: Lilith when Sam was about to kill her, Azazel in John's body in the cabin, etc. In other words, if he can disappear and take the vessel with him, how come others can't?

I know it's not really productive to wonder, because there's probably zero logic or conscious thought behind it, but I always want things tied up neatly. Or neater, at least.


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2012 10:05:33 am PDT #25566 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

All the crossroads demons we've seen apparate, don't they? Or have we been assuming they travel back and forth to the crossroads, or are possessing someone nearby?


Amy - Jun 19, 2012 10:14:22 am PDT #25567 of 30002
Because books.

At least the first one we see, the one Dean traps in Crossroad Blues, smokes out and leaves the vessel there, completely confused about where she is.


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2012 11:38:47 am PDT #25568 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But they all just show up, don't they? Is the assumption that they got there some way other than appearing when summoned? Or are you thinking it's the summoning that is making them travel?

And when they're not trapped, they just seem to not be there anymore, at least as far as I can think of.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 19, 2012 2:14:01 pm PDT #25569 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I always had the impression that they possessed someone near the crossroads they were summoned to, but I don't know if the show actually supports that.