Not only has the main SPN big bang started posting, so has the SPN crossover big bang. There is a SPN/My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic crossover. I'm only partway through it right now, but it is glorious in a 'laughing so hard I can't breathe' sort of way.

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Hey, my essay from In the Hunt is up on SmartPopBooks until Wednesday! Neat.

There is a SPN/My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic crossover. I'm only partway through it right now, but it is glorious in a 'laughing so hard I can't breathe' sort of way.

Hee. It's awesome so far.

Question: Do you count Swan Song as one of Sam's deaths?

Also, for extra credit, do you think Buffy killed Angel in Becoming II?

I think so, yeah. He was as dead as Dean was when Lilith's hell hounds chewed him up and he went to hell. We just didn't see the body die, but you assume that it did since ... it wasn't going to the cage alive, right?

I think Buffy thought she killed Angel, or assumed that was what happened, yes.

Huh. I don't think he was dead. I think Dean was dead, because they mauled him and left a corpse to be buried, but in my reading of Swan Song (and in a debate maybe no one will call me on over at IO9), I think he just went to hell. Much like Angel did, but without the belly wound.

Also, in my head, what Cas did was reach in and grab the body, not realising he didn't get everything, but for Dean, he went in for the soul and then rebuilt a body to put it in.

I don't think the writers are ever clear enough about most of those details to be consistent. I'm also not sure how much it matters -- if you believe in an afterlife, heaven or hell, your body is the only thing not living anymore. Your consciousness is somewhere else, either being tortured or partying with Ash. It's just another state of being at that point.

In other words, I think "dead" matters more when you're officially "over" and your consciousness is no longer interacting with ... anything. Which doesn't seem to be the case on this show.

I was thinking about Mary today. How did she spend the ten years of her life after the deal? I mean, she remembers it, right? And she's familiar with the supernatural enough to know that these trades are traditionally for one's soul.

The episode where Sam and Dean went back together confused me, because when Michael erased her memory then, I have no idea how much he erased. That last creepy scene made her seem completely unaware of anything supernatural, aside from vague fairy tale feelings about guardian angels.

I assumed that he erased every thing since the boys arrived on her doorstep, but why would a legacy hunter say something like that?

My definition of Supernatural-dead is when your body is done and free to rot. The soul may end up attached to a lock of hair, so it hasn't really gone anywhere, but the heart's stopped beating, and decay will soon set in.

By that measure, Dean was killed and his soul taken to hell. Dead. Sam was not killed, but his body and soul were taken to hell. Alive.

Dead is the point at which the Reaper (or the big guy himself, if you're lucky) shows up, and you either go with them up or down, or you fight it and try and stay incorporeal, tethered to something, on earth.

why would a legacy hunter say something like that?

Something like what?

Something like what?

Angels are watching over you. I got the impressions that hunters didn't believe in God and angels, just the easy bits like demons, and even they weren't something the Winchesters were expert with at the start of the show.