And if, in the end, Amy was a deliberate choice to provide conflict for the brothers, alright

I don't understand how it could be anything else. I mean, it was deliberate, it was a source of conflict that persisted...what else could it have been?

I don't understand how your other objections could have been fixed, either. By taking her out of the previouslies? I mean, they can't make her a character you already know without spending even more time on her, or I guess they could retcon someone...

I'm kinda confused of anything other than "I didn't like Amy. I thought it was boring." Or are you saying it failed to set up a realistic conflict?

I mean, having *Gordon* himself in purgatory seems unfair. Madison wildly more so. Did they just stop being worthy of judgement to Heaven or Hell because they got dinged by another monster?

It seems unfair to me too, but the show has repeatedly established that the unfairness is canon. Of course, even Supernatural's Heaven seems kind of sucky to me in the long run unless Ash is wrong about only a relative handful of souls finding out how to interact with their loved ones and others.

Oh, yeah--I didn't mean to imply going to Heaven was a good thing, just that so far they've kind of implied you got to earn your way wherever.

Okay, I am catching up on Supernatural, and just finished "There Will Be Blood". I know that vampires are powerful and can be discreet, but trust me that a black guy is going to be noticed in North Dakota. My brother was there for 6 months and was able to COUNT the black people. And then the "retreat" was in Montana? Oh, no one's going to notice the black guy there!

Although I suppose I should appreciate the color blind casting. I did love the bit about seeing them next season.

That also struck me (maybe wrongly) as a way to say "don't ever complain about TV Show writing because it's hard".

Kristen didn't say that, and neither did I. What I was saying, at least, was that watching TV with a little perspective can help. It's not the same medium as a novel, or a film, so the means *and* ends of the storytelling is going to be a little different.

That also struck me (maybe wrongly) as a way to say "don't ever complain about TV Show writing because it's hard".

That's not what I said or what I meant. I responded to Amy's post because it specifically mentioned me.

I mean, she doesn't like what she's become. She's not the same woman she was last year. I can't imagine living with knowing I'm a monster, and a bullet seems really simple in comparison.

This seems like the heart of it to me. Even if a cage could be built, who wants to live that way? I don't think I would.

And relying on two guys you met three days ago? Not the most realistic plan.

No flippancy intended, but I am more likely to sleep with a guy than rely on him to set up a framework so I don't kill when I turn into a monster every month long after they've gone on with their lives. I totally agree with you, Amy.

I swear to god, fic writers. Watch the fucking show! In this pre-series fic, the boys are hunting VAMPIRES and Sam has been wounded recently by a wendigo. When you're writing an otherwise faithful-to-canon pre-series fic, why make that choice? It's WRONG.

Argh.

The vampire things bugs me pretty much the most. And then one of those fic went on to kill them by staking, so I just signed off as "Buffy fan looking for a new home, but not looking hard..."

I also read a fic where they made a big deal, during the series, of Dean going to New Orleans for the first time. I actually had to leave a note for her...