gimme all the D/C fic in the world, but it's probably quite safest if that never happens onscreen

A big instance where what I want from Show and from Fic differ.

From Show, when it comes to Dean and Cas, I want to at least have acknowledgement that there is a relationship that matters to both characters, platonic as it may be. And I was getting a little sad there that Cas was going to written out with a whimper (my fears were allayed with the finale, which speculatively promise Cas going out with a bang). I don't want canon Cas and Dean to grow apart as people and drift away from each other, which having Meg becoming so integral to Cas was making me think and be frightened (as much as I love Meg nowadays).

Good god, the look on Cas' face when Dean is talking about being bad luck. The pure adoration and faith.

The closest I've come to appreciating Wincest (in a very squeak-and-run-away fashion, because I'm still me) was a story like that--was it where John had deliberately raised them like that, with a sort of Spartan mindset of fucking your fellow soldiers? And they crept out everyone at the Roadhouse?

But that sounds like a combo of both your storylines. Maybe it's yet another one. It had a really distinctive title that I'm blanking on entirely.

I want to tell this guy "Oh, honey, no, that's not how it works." But bless him for trying, and no he doesn't get my number.

See, I can't remember if they were actual werewolves, or just gave off that creepy pack vibe to Ellen. But it was very much like that -- they're freaking out everyone at the Roadhouse, and yes, the Wincest was almost blink and you miss it.

Made by genuine leather,

Dean Winchester Car Coat is a jacket is really like to own.

My favorite lines from the description. Not so much with with the English speaking good, huh?

Okay, I just watched the last 15 minutes again, and I'm even more unabashedly willing to defend the finale. Knowing what happens, I was even tenser. I appreciated every exchange of looks--from the "note of forgiveness" through Sam all alone, and Dean not so alone. And Kevin and Meg's panic to boot.

Kinda randomly, I'm assuming Sam collected the Impala before he did whatever he did next, right?

I so need to rewatch.

I like Meg more and more. I also appreciate that here's a female character who debuted in S1, who's still on the show. And has evolved! In evil ways, of course, but also some not-so. I'm very much hoping Crowley doesn't off her right away.

I agree that Kevin was a little underused, though. Great idea that sort of went nowhere. But he could come back, too!

I think Kevin has to come back in S8, because they could have killed him or let him go home, but they kept him in play.

Tho...if you still have a prophet, you still have Judeo Christianity, which means they totally haven't let go of that as much as interviews lead me to think, oh, two years ago?

I did like the Meg+Cas vibe, in that she looked out for his feelings (for her own reasons) kind of like Sam was aware of him, but Dean patently was not.

But when Cas and Dean have that moment by the shrouded Impala...all the ship feels, man. Even platonic ship. I love that the show has Dean+Sam and Dean+Cas and they both affect me so strongly (go Dean, I guess?). They're neither very healthy, but they are intense and make for great soldiering.

The Meg/Cas (Meg+Cas?) vibe has fascinated me since Caged Heat. Very much opposites attract! fun.

The Dean/Cas (Dean+Cas?) of the S7 episodes where Cas is back have been so bittersweet to me. When Dean is leaning into the car where Cas is still sitting, after Meg arrives, and pulls his head out to roll his eyes and shake his head, it's so exasperated, but so FOND, and there's so much regret there ... MY HEART.

I never know what to make of the show's stance on any religion -- they've got them all mixed together, for one. I mean, Cas shouldn't have had anything to do with Fate as shown in the Titanic episode -- there's predestination in some denominations of Christianity, but certainly not personified and with a Greek name (and cute glasses).

I'm just so attached to the idea that Dean, basically, was never domesticated. The year with Lisa was (miraculously) not alienating a woman, and being a good role model for a kid. This he can do. But actually have an honest to god friendship and he is effectively raised by wolves (...oh, jesus, it's called Wolfpack, Amy, and we're totally thinking of the one story: [link] by tabaqui...anyway back to Dean) he has no idea how to act, and is simultaneously the best and the worst friend ever, because he takes so much for granted--both in what he'll get and what he'll give, but he has no grasp of the niceties and social lubricant. Sam and Meg, both, on the other hand, do. They've both had to work with people to get stuff, but Dean somehow, just uses them. Or gives to them.

And, yeah, when the split comes between him and Cas he's totally hypocritical, because everything that comes out of his mouth is "you don't work with them!" but everything his eyes are saying is "you work with me!" which aren't really the same things at all.

Yes! Wolfpack! Give the lady a prize.

See, it depends by what you think of as domesticated. Dean was essentially Sam's mom for a long time -- that kind of around-the-house domestication was probably more forgotten than totally foreign when he moved in with Lisa.

And I think you're not giving him credit for enough of the social lubricant, either. As a con artist, more or less (or at least sometimes) he has enough of that charm to fake it. He didn't have a problem with Sid, for instance, when Sid wanted to be neighborly.

Some of the more egregious things -- like the way he was so blatantly interested with Jessica in the pilot, for instance -- is purposeful, I think. and the other stuff isn't social lubricant as much as a narrower knowledge base about the the world that isn't fighting off ghosts, such as not knowing what a PA was.

He didn't have a problem with Sid, for instance, when Sid wanted to be neighborly.

I doubt he was close to Sid--he could socialise, but that's not the same as being a good friend. And that's why I draw a line between...well, maybe I should say he does know how to act, but has a harder time with how to be, if I can mangle more expressions.

I have no difficulty imagining that he was putting on a role for the year with Lisa, and has never put up any consistent image for Cas, and who he was/is for Sam is just him. Anything he had to be for a Winchester he really was. But if he's not allowed to admit or act on his hunterly instincts, I don't know if you can ever call it a sincere relationship.

I have no doubt he was doing his best for Lisa and Ben, but he was going against his nature just by not hunting.