The girl's not playing with a full deck, Giles. She has almost no deck. She has a three.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - May 21, 2012 1:54:58 pm PDT #25199 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wasn't actually thinking of them separately. I guess I was assuming that lame!Dean and puke!Dean would also be welcomed on TV, which is unsupported.

I don't know if I have any different wishes other than--gimme all the D/C fic in the world, but it's probably quite safest if that never happens onscreen. However, I read so much fic that doesn't meet my criteria in any other way that I might consider myself irretrievably tainted. I can't tell what distinguishes between a fic I finish and one I don't, because I have been reading some horrible shit recently, but still not *all* the D/C.

Hell, Sam just gave birth to Gabriel's baby, and I thought "Oh, well, I've gotten this far..."

For the puking record, also: no puking, please. But this person had a general love of Dean in gastrointestinal distress.


Amy - May 21, 2012 2:00:12 pm PDT #25200 of 30002
Because books.

I came across an author who seemed to write nothing but sick!Dean. Generally sneezy, feverish, needing to be cuddled Dean, with Sam stepping up manfully. Bizarre. Every. single. fic. included it.

Hell, Sam just gave birth to Gabriel's baby, and I thought "Oh, well, I've gotten this far..."

Oh, honey.


Juliebird - May 21, 2012 2:03:19 pm PDT #25201 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Show and fic serve different needs for me. I actually am less likely to read a fic if it tries to adhere too closely to canon or rewrite it. Because, man, Show is dark and depressing, and I don't generally want epic fics that try to tackle a given seasons Big Bad. But I do love case fics (MOTW style) (because that means a good whodunit to wrap the character stuff around). It goes back to my love of AUs, where fic doesn't mess too much with Show canon and mess with my head.


§ ita § - May 21, 2012 2:15:31 pm PDT #25202 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I came across an author who seemed to write nothing but sick!Dean. Generally sneezy, feverish, needing to be cuddled Dean, with Sam stepping up manfully.

When I first started binging, before my ship needs crystallised, I was plowing through...K Hanna Korossy? Something like that. And she was straight up gen casefiles, with added cuddling. It was so weird. And her monsters were totally ho hum, but they'd beat the shit out of Sam and Dean, and then they'd need to patch each other up and share a bed! Again!

We are so weird.

Oh, honey.

Yeah, kinda that...

I don't mind canon and fic intersecting, although I can only remotely tolerate S/G in AU. And there are some canon things I hate being experimented with (birth order or age gap, most commonly, and then after that--randomly not killing people who die in canon, and either of the boys being angels (unless it's a boys-are-angels angels-are-hunters straight swap)), so maybe I'm less exploratory than many?


Amy - May 21, 2012 2:25:53 pm PDT #25203 of 30002
Because books.

And there are some canon things I hate being experimented with (birth order or age gap

Yes. Dean is older. Always. Has to be.

I'd actually like to see more "what if" stuff as is breaks off from canon. Like, what happens if Dean doesn't make the deal for Sam? What happens if Dean does die and Sam can't save him (which I wrote, actually)? What if John had died in Sam's nursery instead of Mary? Just to twist it up a little.


§ ita § - May 21, 2012 2:54:41 pm PDT #25204 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not sure there's a bright line I can explain between a "what if" and a "I hate canon". You know when someone just pretends something didn't happen, but doesn't really explain why, or explore the ramifications? Mostly that irritates me. It's not coded to soothe my id, and it's almost like an allergen instead.

If Dean left Lisa earlier, why? Don't just tell me she kicked him out for no reason, or her caught her cheating and you just need to get him directly in bed with Cas. Make there be some point to it.

I couldn't keep reading the hurt!Dean prompts. They were hurting him too much, and one trope especially was hard to read--detox!Dean. Because I'm so attached to him being a functional alcoholic, and unless he works out how fermentation works in Purgatory or Cas does some Jesus tricks...realistically he would be kinda fucked, wouldn't he? I've been feeling oddly guilty about that idea since the finale (and knowing that Steph's brother is doing it for real, of course) and I can't decide if I want canon to deal or not.

However, if you are interested in the h/c, the prompt is here: [link] I've only scanned the first page, and I didn't see any fills, but there are at least 6 pages there now.

which I wrote, actually

Oh, don't think I don't remember, and that it still doesn't hurt.


Amy - May 21, 2012 3:23:55 pm PDT #25205 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, when authors just change things they clearly don't like with no explanation, that's usually a non-starter for me. If you're going to veer off canon, have a reason for it, and use it well.

Detox!Dean is a little more hurt than I want, too. I also can never ever read any evil!Winchester of either type.


§ ita § - May 21, 2012 3:30:15 pm PDT #25206 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Evil!Winchesters are a tossup for me--I clearly adored that scaramouche story where they were all sociopaths...good god, did I ever like that...

I think if it's a more relatable scale of evil, or if only one brother is bad, then not so much.

I also couldn't get into Dean/Godstiel past the initial "on your knees and blow me" premise. Levia!Cas D/C neither.


Amy - May 21, 2012 3:35:39 pm PDT #25207 of 30002
Because books.

Actually, you're right, there was a series of stories where Sam and Dean were both psychotic -- it was very dark, and they were just these sort of feral, all-id brothers. The writing was gorgeous, but after the first few it got old, and sort of disturbing.

There was also a Winchesters as werewolves story from waaaaay back that was excellently creepy. It was Ellen POV about them coming into Roadhouse.


Juliebird - May 21, 2012 3:54:54 pm PDT #25208 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

gimme all the D/C fic in the world, but it's probably quite safest if that never happens onscreen

A big instance where what I want from Show and from Fic differ.

From Show, when it comes to Dean and Cas, I want to at least have acknowledgement that there is a relationship that matters to both characters, platonic as it may be. And I was getting a little sad there that Cas was going to written out with a whimper (my fears were allayed with the finale, which speculatively promise Cas going out with a bang). I don't want canon Cas and Dean to grow apart as people and drift away from each other, which having Meg becoming so integral to Cas was making me think and be frightened (as much as I love Meg nowadays).

Good god, the look on Cas' face when Dean is talking about being bad luck. The pure adoration and faith.