Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

Wash ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2012 6:33:09 am PDT #25142 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh sure, but I'm just saying it seems an indication of relative power. I was under the impression that angels are beyond the power of most things to harm, though they do seem to keep amending the list. (I assume Edgar had to neutralize the angelic abilities of Kevin's protectors a la Mother-of-All before doing them in.) If Cas was able to herd and corrall millions of them at once, it seems like he should be able to do so for whatever individual ones might happen across them and attack.

Does Cas blipping out mean that he has the ability to move in and out of Purgatory?

He still needed the eclipse/blood ritual to open it a second time, so I'm guessing no. He's probably just teleporting about within Purgatory like he was at the cabin earlier.

I do see at least one possibility of escape. We know that the gateway to Purgatory has been opened at least once without Cas himself or Mother-of-All being present: the event at H.P. Lovecraft's in 1937. If Cas can time travel on that side of the gate, he can take them back to 1937 and emerge along with the invisible thing that took over Dr. Visnyak without anyone present being any the wiser.


§ ita § - May 19, 2012 6:40:40 am PDT #25143 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me a spell that channels souls and their power doesn't have to have much to do with what level they'd be on face to face with all their body parts intact. I don't feel like the writers are contradicting themselves, therefore, by positing that Cas (even if he's gotten over his pacifism) is in physical jeopardy in their home court.

They never established if time flowed differently in heaven (or how differently, precisely), and whether or not time is it's different in purgatory.

Really, this is just the writers showing explicit favouritism towards Dean. Now that Sam has caught up and even exceeded him in the hell years department, they have to send Dean to Purgatory so he can get ahead of him again.

Let me put in one vote for Cas and Dean clearing out a corner of Purgatory and setting up a homestead and picking out curtains until Sam works out how to get them out.

Does anyone know if there are any eclipses coming up soon?


-t - May 19, 2012 7:01:59 am PDT #25144 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Annular eclipse tomorrow, full solar eclipse in, I think, November.


quester - May 19, 2012 7:09:12 am PDT #25145 of 30002
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

All I could do at the end was think how totally alone Sam really is! All of his allies are gone; meg's back in Crowley's custody, Dean and Cas are in Purgetory, Bobby is gone, gone! He has noone to help him!

Unless the girl Felicia Day played and Chuck the profit are willing to step up, or the Ghost Facers...anyone else?


sumi - May 19, 2012 7:10:17 am PDT #25146 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

November, huh?

Interesting - I hope it's during sweeps.


Amy - May 19, 2012 2:53:01 pm PDT #25147 of 30002
Because books.

There's still Sheriff Mills.


Morgana - May 19, 2012 2:55:28 pm PDT #25148 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

All I could do at the end was think how totally alone Sam really is!

Situationally like Mystery Spot Sam, except that version of Sam still heard from Bobby occasionally. But this Sam is so much more fragile, as odd as it seems to use that word to describe such a man-mountain.


§ ita § - May 19, 2012 3:29:11 pm PDT #25149 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If I were to use fragile to discuss this Sam, it would be in a positive way. He is alone, but he's been through a lot and grown a great deal. I think he'll be perfectly functional, although disconsolate and bereft. I don't think he'll snap.

If Cas really did leave Dean, on the other hand (I don't think he can travel outside Purgatory), I think he would have a break.


Juliebird - May 19, 2012 3:33:53 pm PDT #25150 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Ooh, Sheriff Mills. Show can revisit their potential chemistry, yesh!

I think Sam might weather Dean's "expulsion from the earthly plane" a little better this time, despite his increased fragility. I dunno, he's been through so much since, and I feel that it's toughened him ("that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger"). He's got miles and traumas and afflictions and his own experience in Hell and then living with a broken mind (where he sucked it up and kept going). I feel like he won't go single-minded psycho killer obsessed like he did between season 3 and 4 (though still obsessed, of course). And Dean's not dead this time.

Or what ita said.

Although, in a way, Sam is even more at a loss because he doesn't even know where Dean is. (or does he? Can't recall now if Crowley let that slip).

I'm very curious how the show next season will handle this.

Will Dean and Cas' stint in P-town be worth only an episode or two? Will Show do the "and they're all mysteriously back! Find out how in episode 6!"? Will one get stuck and the other escape (Cas sacrificing himself for Dean one last time, then Dean goes crazy trying to get Cas out, or Cas gets torn to pieces freeing Dean?). Will we find out that this is where angels go when they die?


quester - May 19, 2012 3:47:34 pm PDT #25151 of 30002
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Ooh, Sheriff Mills. Show can revisit their potential chemistry, yesh!

Oh yes! I forgot about her!