They called him a prophet at one point, which is confusing, because Chuck was never taken to the desert, he never discovered any writings of Metatron. Maybe there are different kinds of prophets? Or the word was misused?

Kevin was the prophet, not Castiel.

it reminded me of orgy-having Cas, just without the drugs and the cynicism

I saw that, too. But it was weird without the drugs and cynicism. And also, because of that lack, it was a new personality. That lack is a huge difference. Like I said, I'll have to rewatch to really wrap my tiny brain around. And see how it tracks. Because there also seemed to be a disconnect with reality. Deliberate, or an actual psychic break. At some times it seemed to be one or the other.

And I also guess that he had been comatose this whole time? Which also caused a disconnect for me. Because his behaviour spoke of having had time to come to grips with dispelling the Lucifer visions, and his choice to no longer fight.

And as for the comparisons to his 2014 persona, and the differences, he came about the sense of humor and personality via different routes. There might be some end result similarities, and I like that it tracks that his showing more human traits track, especially with the differences, but I still call them two wholly different beasts.

Kevin was the prophet, not Castiel.

Who was that directed at, Amy? Because I don't think either Morgana or I meant or referenced Castiel in terms of the prophet.

I was responding to this, Julie:

They called him a prophet at one point, which is confusing, because Chuck was never taken to the desert

Which you said right after we were talking about Castiel, so I thought that was who you meant. I guess also because you had been talking about being confused about Cas's character. Sorry.

And I also guess that he had been comatose this whole time? Which also caused a disconnect for me. Because his behaviour spoke of having had time to come to grips with dispelling the Lucifer visions, and his choice to no longer fight.

He was comatose, but who knows? He's an angel, so maybe it was different for him?

I don't know, it didn't bother me. It came off more as maybe Cas retreating into his head (while comatose) for whatever reason.

He was comatose, but who knows? He's an angel, so maybe it was different for him?

Okay, I can get behind that, me likes. Even though to humans he was in a vegetative state, he was actually dealing with Harvey and processing stuff, and came out the other side . . . different, and with a firm conviction about his place and purpose.

It actually makes a sort of sense. He can't apologize forever, he can't make amends more than he has. He's already messed up a lot of stuff (with good intentions, hello path to Hell). So his new goal is to stop fighting, appreciate. Stop meddling. (a part of me can't stop railing against this).

Hmm, maybe, in his learning from his "mistakes", he steps far away from free will, becomes a nonplayer, and immerses himself in mindless instincts like how bees pollinate in accordance with a biological imperative, with no motive or endgame except to simply be[e].

There's lots of ways of being a prophet. The angels called Kevin specifically the Keeper of the Word (which I don't think Chuck ever got labeled) and that's what carried the go hang out in the desert stuff.

Boop.

This version of Cas makes perfect sense to me.

I'm wondering if Edgar just killed the angels' vessels out from under them. Cas held his own against ALL the Leviathans contained within him for quite some time, and even when they came bursting out of him like wasps out of a caterpillar it only seemed to traumatize him, not do irreparable harm.

Also, other than their unkillability (is that a word?), the Leviathans haven't seemed all that powerful. I mean, the Winchesters have temporarily won fights against several and a witch incapacitated one for days. Even peon angels should be way above those weight classes.

Aren't there only Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, and ... maybe one more?

Michaelangelo. No, wait--

According to Wikipedia, Christianity recognizes three by name. Judaism recognizes seven by name. And four in Islam. Names and attributes at the wiki.

Castiel killed thousands of angels. Maybe that included all the Archangels.

I do kind of think Castiel owes humanity help in taking down the Ls, given that he unleashed them. But I'm going to write it off as a result of cage brain damage. Just because it affects him differently (and less fatally) than it affects Sam does not mean it does not severely impact him.

In the show's mythology, it appears that the only four archangels were Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Raphael. So two have been destroyed and two are in the Cage.