I never thought of that.
It is a little irritating. Like, if Dean or Sam had been sent to hell a few years later, they would have been just waiting in line, not being flayed alive.
Mal: You tell me right now, little Kaylee, you really think you can do this? Kaylee: Sure. Yeah. I think so. 'Sides, if I mess up, not like you'll be able to yell at me.
'Bushwhacked'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Amy - Mar 26, 2012 6:31:22 am PDT #24700 of 30002
Because books.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2012 6:36:42 am PDT #24701 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
The idea of being remade into something horrifically other with predatory/cannibalistic instincts strong enough to overwhelm even love for your family and having your soul yanked away from its rightful destination post-death to hang out with Mother-of-All in some kind of void doesn't seem that pleasant to me. Madison and Lenore certainly seemed tormented by their situation while living, and then you multiply that by 15 to 20 million. I suppose there could have been some Jasmine-like effect going on with the dead monster souls once they made it into Purgatory.
We've heard Purgatory described in very negative terms by Bobby's research materials (of dubious accuracy) and as a wasteland by Dr. Visyak.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 7:00:05 am PDT #24702 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Like, if Dean or Sam had been sent to hell a few years later, they would have been just waiting in line, not being flayed alive.
Anti-climactic, isn't it? Dragged to the afterworld by hellhounds, and then...that? Talk about dissipation of impact.
The idea of being remade into something horrifically other with predatory/cannibalistic instincts strong enough to overwhelm even love for your family and having your soul yanked away from its rightful destination post-death to hang out with Mother-of-All in some kind of void doesn't seem that pleasant to me.
But they're not being remade. They're just being sent. I don't see how their souls are being yanked away from their rightful destination--vampire "souls" go to purgatory. That's their rightful destination. We've not been given the impression that vampires are wandering around the earth angsting about their current condition, and waiting for an afterlife in which to give that existential pain free rein. With exception of the vegetarian posse, they all seemed pretty okay with what they were doing.
I have no reason to think that their afterlives were filled with anguish based on their life-lives. Madison and Lenore were pointed exceptions, for the purposes of the narrative. If they'd been typical, there'd have been no story there.
We've heard Purgatory described in very negative terms by Bobby's research materials
Which I quoted upthread, but again--while I imagine that's highly unpleasant for the people that end up there, I still have no idea that the monsters that end up there are in a similar torment to being singled out by Alistair (my assumption is that Dean's hell experience was worse than most people's because of the focus) or being locked up with Lucifer and Michael (similarly, I assume Sam's hell experience was worst than just about anyone's, period).
sumi - Mar 26, 2012 7:59:10 am PDT #24703 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!
Ooh, that is an interesting idea.
Amy - Mar 26, 2012 8:13:41 am PDT #24704 of 30002
Because books.
@jarpad
@stjude Heres the final tally-In just over five short months, @WinchesterBros and the supernatural fandom raised over $80,000 for you! :)
That's with his and Genevieve's matching dollars. Pretty fucking cool. That's how you mobilize fans for a good cause.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 8:16:41 am PDT #24705 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
This is what I need to point at when people are insisting that Supernatural fans are the sickest of the sick because we all think that Jared is sticking it up Jensen's jacksie. $40K in donations in their name in five months, thank you very much.
Amy - Mar 26, 2012 8:19:23 am PDT #24706 of 30002
Because books.
"Jacksie"? That's a new one for me.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 8:20:15 am PDT #24707 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Uh, British?
Amy - Mar 26, 2012 8:21:13 am PDT #24708 of 30002
Because books.
Ah. Even so, I'm usually familiar with the slang, I thought. What other words am I missing?!
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2012 8:44:14 am PDT #24709 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
But they're not being remade. They're just being sent. I don't see how their souls are being yanked away from their rightful destination--vampire "souls" go to purgatory. That's their rightful destination.
They started out as humans who presumably didn't feel a nigh-irresistible urge to feed off and kill other humans and a lack of remorse over acting on it. And Mother-of-All was threatening to infect all of humanity and claim all their souls for herself. Unlike the Heaven/Hell/unquiet ghost afterlives, the final fate of people that are attacked by monsters and infected is determined by something outside their own choices. I wouldn't call that rightful. It is possible that the changes that monster-y contamination makes in most of those souls results in them not being horrified by where they end up, but I'd think their spiritual state would still be the stuff of nightmares to an outside observer.