Like, if Dean or Sam had been sent to hell a few years later, they would have been just waiting in line, not being flayed alive.
Anti-climactic, isn't it? Dragged to the afterworld by hellhounds, and then...that? Talk about dissipation of impact.
The idea of being remade into something horrifically other with predatory/cannibalistic instincts strong enough to overwhelm even love for your family and having your soul yanked away from its rightful destination post-death to hang out with Mother-of-All in some kind of void doesn't seem that pleasant to me.
But they're not being remade. They're just being sent. I don't see how their souls are being yanked away from their rightful destination--vampire "souls" go to purgatory. That's their rightful destination. We've not been given the impression that vampires are wandering around the earth angsting about their current condition, and waiting for an afterlife in which to give that existential pain free rein. With exception of the vegetarian posse, they all seemed pretty okay with what they were doing.
I have no reason to think that their afterlives were filled with anguish based on their life-lives. Madison and Lenore were pointed exceptions, for the purposes of the narrative. If they'd been typical, there'd have been no story there.
We've heard Purgatory described in very negative terms by Bobby's research materials
Which I quoted upthread, but again--while I imagine that's highly unpleasant for the people that end up there, I still have no idea that the monsters that end up there are in a similar torment to being singled out by Alistair (my assumption is that Dean's hell experience was worse than most people's because of the focus) or being locked up with Lucifer and Michael (similarly, I assume Sam's hell experience was worst than just about anyone's, period).
Ooh, that is an interesting idea.
@jarpad
@stjude Heres the final tally-In just over five short months, @WinchesterBros and the supernatural fandom raised over $80,000 for you! :)
That's with his and Genevieve's matching dollars. Pretty fucking cool. That's how you mobilize fans for a good cause.
This is what I need to point at when people are insisting that Supernatural fans are the sickest of the sick because we all think that Jared is sticking it up Jensen's jacksie. $40K in donations in their name in five months, thank you very much.
"Jacksie"? That's a new one for me.
Ah. Even so, I'm usually familiar with the slang, I thought. What other words am I missing?!
But they're not being remade. They're just being sent. I don't see how their souls are being yanked away from their rightful destination--vampire "souls" go to purgatory. That's their rightful destination.
They started out as humans who presumably didn't feel a nigh-irresistible urge to feed off and kill other humans and a lack of remorse over acting on it. And Mother-of-All was threatening to infect all of humanity and claim all their souls for herself. Unlike the Heaven/Hell/unquiet ghost afterlives, the final fate of people that are attacked by monsters and infected is determined by something outside their own choices. I wouldn't call that rightful. It is possible that the changes that monster-y contamination makes in most of those souls results in them not being horrified by where they end up, but I'd think their spiritual state would still be the stuff of nightmares to an outside observer.
But Matt, you're talking like the souls of
people
end up in Purgatory. As far as we know, they don't. It's the rugaru/werewolf/vampire souls that end up there, not the people themselves. And we've never been given any indication that they were in any sort of torment, although we've also never been told if the people passed on or they are changed. Still, what we've been shown are mostly monsters that have come to terms with what they are, and more often than not we're shown monsters who are really really into what they are. I'm not sure where your pain is coming from.
Mother-of-All was threatening to infect all of humanity and claim all their souls for herself
Which has no effect on the souls currently in Purgatory, which would be the ones that Cas took into himself.
I'd think their spiritual state would still be the stuff of nightmares to an outside observer
Who are the outside observers in this scenario? Sam was in pain because he was in pain, not because he was observed to have been in a bad state. That was his soul experiencing punishment. And all I'm saying is that we haven't been told that monster souls are tormented in Purgatory. Hell, perhaps (demons have expressed reluctance to return there, although I'm sure it's better for some than others), but not Purgatory.
Jared, you look *just* fine. How tired is Gen right now, daddypants?
