The only thing that I found to be a stretch was Dean giving Cas the trenchcoat and Cas wearing it. As a symbol that Dean has had Cas in his thoughts, that his loss was a huge deal, cool. I can even see Dean showing it to Cas to prove that he holds no ill will towards him, that despite his wrongs, Dean has grieved for him. Cas actually putting it on was strange.
You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.
Xander ,'Empty Places'
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Juliebird - Mar 25, 2012 12:15:51 pm PDT #24687 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
§ ita § - Mar 25, 2012 1:18:19 pm PDT #24688 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Cas actually putting it on was strange.
Dean gave it to him, saying "Here. Be Cas again. We need Cas." and so he took it, and accepted that he was Cas. What is he going to do with it, other than wear it? It seemed a straightforward symbol for him accepting the mantle and the forgiveness and everything that meant, returning to who he had been, even all the way back to S5.
For Cas to look at it and not do anything with it would have struck me as a waste of bringing it up again in this context. I'd rather just have known Dean had it on him, somehow. But if Dean pulls it out for Cas, putting it on is completing the symbology.
I wish we'd had the line from the preview
I too think they shouldn't have cut the line, but the coat did say the same thing.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 25, 2012 1:43:41 pm PDT #24689 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'd have preferred it if it were Jensen Ackles saying it rather than a prop. Were two different scenes with conveniently-located ghost victim giving Sam candy or granola bars really more important to the plot than the preview scene that got cut?
Amy - Mar 25, 2012 1:54:40 pm PDT #24690 of 30002
Because books.
Went to a book club meeting and discovered one member's husband is a huge SPN fan (he wasn't there, she was telling me), complete with quoting Sam and Dean. I'm now dying to meet this guy, even though I find her sort of a blank space.
Cas actually putting it on was strange.
Oh, I don't think so. I don't think that's the kind of thing you can refuse, for one. And I think Cas was so stunned, actually putting that life/existence back on physically might have helped make it all a little realer in the moment.
Morgana - Mar 25, 2012 5:39:46 pm PDT #24691 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Cas actually putting it on was strange.
Mostly I was thinking that with his fully returned angel mojo Castiel was capable of materializing his trenchcoat all by himself.
§ ita § - Mar 25, 2012 6:10:07 pm PDT #24692 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I was thinking that with his fully returned angel mojo Castiel was capable of materializing his trenchcoat all by himself.
But that coat doesn't have the impact. Even cleaning it up would dilute it. As it stood, it was a direct reminder of what he went through right before he walked into the reservoir, everything he suffered as he tried to atone the first time, which he didn't feel was enough.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2012 5:32:48 am PDT #24693 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Also, a newly materialized trenchcoat lacks the possibility of Dean having used it as a pillow at some point. IJS.
Amy - Mar 26, 2012 5:42:27 am PDT #24694 of 30002
Because books.
I rewatched last night. I wonder if being in the cage with Lucifer opened some kind of connection with Sam -- or Sam being his vessel. So when Cas took that damage into himself, he was taking that open phone line, too, so to speak.
Meaning, Lucifer is still in the cage, which we knew, but the hallucinations aren't as much hallucinations as Lucifer actually taunting Sam *from* the cage. That would explain why Lucifer could talk directly to Cas after the transfer (and makes me feel a little better about the logic of the thing).
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2012 5:50:29 am PDT #24695 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm wondering about the mechanics now. Cas has eaten souls and made them a part of himself before. Is it possible that he could have just eaten the bad parts of Sam's, leaving the rest as a functional whole?
Still not buying that Sam's trauma would exceed what he had to have experienced containing 30-40 million monster souls that had been in Purgatory for thousands of years and a bunch of Leviathans that had been there for hundreds of millions if not billions.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2012 5:55:00 am PDT #24696 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Why does one have to assume the experience of being tortured by Lucifer in a cage in hell is comparable to "living" in purgatory? I can't find a reason to support the idea that the souls that Cas ingested were in torment, and that there was any personal malice in that experience.
What do we know about the environment of Purgatory from canon, and most specifically, what sort of a time the monsters would have had there? Maybe their memories are all pleasant.
Either way, being hatebanged by Luci is supposed to be a special case, isn't it?