Do you mean in the Green Room? Those weren't White Castle. They were from a burger shack in Delaware (he was 11) (I love that line). And they weren't brought to him by women, they were just there on the table, just like they did for Adam.

I'm not sure what scene you're thinking of.

I think White Castle might have been mentioned explicitly for either Jimmy's reappearance or Cas's craving, but I'm pretty damned sure it's never been for Dean.

serial: I searched supernaturalwiki for the phrase "White Castle" and it comes up only once:

DEAN Okay, but what about you? I mean, since when do angels secretly hunger for White Castle?

So, while it's obvious Dean likes burgers (we see him eating them more often, probably, than anything else), there's no indication that he likes White Castle as a brand, and when a specific source was mentioned for him, it explicitly wasn't them. There's the Delaware shack, and there's Biggerson's, I think. Nothing else comes to mind.

I'm remembering one of those "Dean meets Jess" fics where Jess serves him salmon, and it's not only the first time he's had it, he's kinda confused by it, and it made me feel defensive. It's just a kind of fish. It's not a weird kind of fish, is it? I mean, it's prettily coloured, but it's not weird in form or flavour. Of course, there was the moment when Sam remembered when Jess had first served him salmon, and then Jess wondering what was up with these boys and the salmon ignorance...

Hmmph. It's not sushi, or anything.

Fic cracks me up. Since when are most college girls making their boyfriends any kind of fish?

Jess grew up in a very nice bougie family, but she had either a really cool father or a bunch of brothers (or both), so she's a total tomboy (and can totally keep up with Sam's apparent persona--exceed Samantha, even), but she introduces him to a lot of "real" suburban things.

God, Amy, everybody knows that. Where have you been?

I have a strange weakness for two sorts of pre-series fics--the ones where Dean met Jess and they slept together, but they didn't know who each other were, and it's not actually infidelity fic, and then one to three of them eventually find out and it's horrible or they work it out but THERE'S NO WINCEST OR THREESOME, and also the sort where Jess spends a lot of time wondering why her boyfriend is so weird, especially if it's because he's so gentle and sensitive one moment, and completely martially badassed the next. With a side of family dysfunction.

But I really really don't like where she survives or avoids the fire and goes on the road. I just don't. I can't articulate why.

Jess spends a lot of time wondering why her boyfriend is so weird, especially if it's because he's so gentle and sensitive one moment, and completely martially badassed the next. With a side of family dysfunction.

Oh, I like those, too. And I did read one where she and Dean had been seeing each other for a while before she met Sam, although I don't remember the details of how that worked (as in, what Dean was doing there for so long) but I'm pretty sure it did end in threeway sexytimes, so.

I think I like most the pre-series fic where it's Sam's POV, easing into this very normal relationship/life with Jess, and trying to figure out all this everyday girl stuff that he has zero experience with, since even the girls he crushed on or dated previously ended too quickly when they had to pack up and leave again.

Like, a dumb fic about Sam trying to figure out what to get Jess for her birthday, or what to do if she was having horrible cramps, would make me stupidly happy.

I'm pretty sure it did end in threeway sexytimes, so.

What's with people and the catering to not me? When will it end?

I guess I'm realising my "outsider" POV thing comes into play with pre-series Sam/Jess. To define terms, outsiders are everyone not Sam or Dean, so even John and Bobby are outsiders, but Jess is more so, because she doesn't know about hunting.

There are two things I want people to be outside of--the brotherly bond (like, not knowing about it is a boon), and the hunting background. I love seeing how that tinges the narrative.

It has limited use in D/C fic, so I don't come up against it as much as I used to (I also feel, like Weechesters, that I read it all, and it's just not being generated in volume anymore), and I really miss it.

So fic where Jess is trying to figure out Sam, and he's opaque because she doesn't understand precisely how he's missing a limb, and that he's been brought up in two distinct dysfunctional ways, but she sees through to the core of him anyway (the basics of what I want out of most of the outsider fic, although misreadings can be interesting too) and loves him for that--I really dig it.

But half the time people do that, they like Jess enough to save her life, so it's really a lot of picking and choosing for me to do.

I wanted to do that with a Lisa POV fic, but it's not quite the same because after The Kids Are All Right, she knows a bit about Dean's life hunting.

I do love Jess trying to figure out Sam, though, especially when she finds, like, a knife under the bed or something.

Outsider POV in Weechester fic gives me crazy anxiety, because I'm always waiting for someone to call Child Protective Services. It's possible I'm a little over-invested.

I think there's room for a Cassie POV fic to do that sort of thing.

I like the premise of the lies they must tell in Weechester fic to get away with it, the constant scamming wee Dean must be doing in order to try and preserve some sense of normalcy for Sam, and the weird hybrid life that Sam does and does not come to terms with.

And trying to work out how normal John ever bothers to act.

Also, the Milligans.

I have a John fic in my head, where he goes to visit Adam a couple times a year, and the guilt and the pleasure of this totally *normal* kid are almost unbearable. To him, and to me, which is why I haven't written it.

OMG, that just reminded me of the "See, obviously if John hadn't handed Dean the shotgun in Something Wicked he'd have been killed like Adam before Jump The Shark."

Which is totally tangential, and probably just my brain's attempt at self defense. Because frustration at false dichotomies is much happier than pain at Winchester angst.

But I did get that argument handed to me last week.