They really didn't make any effort to understand him, and I suspect that's related to the fact that they're in a position of power, and Ruby really wasn't.
This is a very good observation, Consuela. It could be argued that demons have the advantage here. They were once human and understand emotions and know how to play and manipulate on that level.
It's obvious here the angels are utterly clueless about humanity and the complexities and depths of the human soul. Cas is getting it.
And I love that God might allow the angels free will.
And I love that God might allow the angels free will.
I can't imagine how he hasn't. Uriel chose to follow Lucifer and murder other angels; Castiel chose to free Dean. At least one of those actions must have been contrary to God's will: without free will, it couldn't have taken place.
Whew! Note to self: Remember password.
God's sitting in the corner with a big glass of scotch, facepalming.
Love.
My current favorite parts of Lucifer Rising is Ackles face when he delivers the clunky line "if he ever was." That little grimace before Bobby lays into him is gold. Honestly there are lines through the whole episode ("lily white ass") that should have been impossible to credibly deliver. But JA makes it look effortless. He is amazing. And I mean that purely professionally. I'll objectify him later.
The second is Dean on the phone. Dean's mouth starts working before he can get the words out. Even then he has to clear his throat to go on. So powerful. Then the message cuts him off before he can say the word "sorry". The look on his face was heartbreaking. The boy on his cell phone whether in Home or Lucifer Rising just kills me dead. Congrats Jensen.
My third current fav part is the before mentioned "I'm sorry" delivered by JA. That boy has created magic with the character of Sam. What range. ::sigh::
I didn't catch it at the time....but how awesome was the shoutout to Cindy?! I'm so glad you guys said something. The minimal difference in the last name may be as simple as the actress pronounced it wrong. Cindy officially wins the coolest person ever award.
Ima go watch again.
Lucifer's fall in the first place implies free will on the part of the angels, even if most of them don't actively exercise it.
And God? I don't think he's the absentee landloard Zac is making him out to be.
That's my take on it. I can easily see Zachariah conflating God no longer communicating with him (assuming he's one of the four that have been in contact in the past) with being absentee on a larger scale. But I'd think that Anna regaining her angelic nature, Lucifer remaining bound until freed in the prophecied way, and the fact that things like holy water work at all are indications that He's still at work behind the scenes.
And again, God not "having left the building" explains how Dean is not in violation of his oath. He swore to serve "God and his Angels". If God is still around, and his Angels are no longer serving Dean's oath to God takes precedence over Dean's oath to the Angels.
I'm also not clear on how that oath is to be enforced...
It may not be enforced as such. But in a magical universe violating a sworn oath to a powerful supernatural being probably has bad consequences. Dean being an oathbreaker would probably make him more vulnerable to a whole bunch of stuff.
Lucifer's fall in the first place implies free will on the part of the angels, even if most of them don't actively exercise it.
It seems like that's the case, but they said that angels don't have free will when they were explaining why Anna was wrong and bad, didn't they? Which confused me at the time and still confuses me, so I don't think I can parse the subtleties. But if the stated policy of 'angels have no free will' has changed in recent times, that would be interesting, certainly. Or if it was never the case and just something they all believed for some reason, I suppose.
