Does anybody mind if I pass out?

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Juliebird - Feb 16, 2012 3:04:48 pm PST #24200 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

You mean you're not a moon?!


Amy - Feb 16, 2012 3:16:34 pm PST #24201 of 30002
Because books.

The avatar on that page was particularly frightening.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2012 3:58:21 pm PST #24202 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am totally spreading my identity as a moon. But you reminded me I don't actually have that tumblr...lemme get on that...okay, got itamoon.tumblr.com.

But, no, I did reblog it at ita.tumblr.com--I just feel weird linking to my own shit on different sites. Self-promo aversion.

However, most of everything on the site is quite frightening--you should look at the picture of their new dildo.

Ergo, I couldn't not.


Juliebird - Feb 16, 2012 4:50:07 pm PST #24203 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

ita, I was going to promise not to write your tumblr on bathroom walls, but after finding the dildo, I just might out of pettiness.

ION, I was rewatching The End, and the scene where End!Cas recognizes that Dean is not his Dean, it made me wonder. End!Cas is not human, but he's cut off from Heaven and is mortal. Yet he still retained the ability to sense something about Dean that immediately told him Dean was not of his time. Which then got me thinking about what season 4 Cas could sense about Dean, see in him. What falling season 5 Cas could sense and see.

We had discussions before about whether Cas could read Dean's mind, or sense his surface thoughts or read his emotions, and maybe discounted that because if Zacchariah could do either, his game was way off when it came to choosing the right pressure points on Dean in getting him to say yes to Michael. But I think those conversations were before Cas' announcement of their profound bond. Or, shoot, maybe it was posited that Cas being the one to raise Dean from Hell connected him to Dean in a more intimate way that the rest of the angels didn't have access to.

Oh, nevermind me. I just had a moment of "Gosh, Cas must have been super attuned to Dean this whole time!" even if it was sort of forgotten after his first appearance by Show for two seasons.


Amy - Feb 16, 2012 4:56:11 pm PST #24204 of 30002
Because books.

He's not completely mortal in The End, even if he's close. And I think it's simply an issue of him knowing Dean so well -- in 2014, they've been together in this close-knit group nearly every day, so a Dean without the usual brooding angst is probably going to strike him as odd.

Also? The writers aren't completely consistent with the angels' powers in the first place. In Cas's second appearance on the show, he tells Dean that angels died on the battlefield that day, but later, everyone is shocked! that angels are dying, and no one can figure out how they're doing it.


Juliebird - Feb 16, 2012 5:09:46 pm PST #24205 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Well, he says he "went mortal" and is "all but human" and "not an angel anymore". Also, when he goes all WHOA on Dean, he's looking at Dean's feet (or crotch), not his relatively less tortured face. So, uh, Cas recognized Dean's boots as ones he hasn't worn in five years or more, perhaps?

Definitely writer inconsistencies. As for the angels dying, maybe there were rogue angels on the side of Hell? /wank. And then Dean killing an angel. Maybe there's a difference between angels dying in vessels and angels dying in their true form? Although, I'd think it more logical that an angel dying in a vessel to be less surprising than them dying in battle on a celestial plane.


Amy - Feb 16, 2012 5:16:31 pm PST #24206 of 30002
Because books.

I thought it would have been angels in vessels dying, because at that point the rift between the angels wasn't yet known. Unless I'm not remembering right.

I should rewatch.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 16, 2012 5:50:11 pm PST #24207 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Even Raphael had a vessel killed out from under him, so it is possible that really competent demons were able to surprise a few angels and inconvenience them with unexpected vessel shopping during the whole 66 Seals mess.


Juliebird - Feb 16, 2012 6:02:44 pm PST #24208 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Matt, when was that? I only remember Balthazar using the Sodom and Gommorah crystal on him.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2012 6:04:19 pm PST #24209 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm assuming that was it. His vessel was killed.