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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 10:37:49 am PST #24151 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying he doesn't, but I can see that his life might be so taken up with reading for various sorts of achievement and duty that it's not really an issue. It would be a valid character note for me, and an interesting one, if Dean, the one who relaxes aggressively ends up chowing down on Tolkien and Vonnegut, while Sam is surfing the web for the latest lore from Guatemala. Just In Case, you know.

Yet, in Dean's head, he's the practical one, and Sam's the big old geek, but Dean's the one framing things in even literary references.


sumi - Feb 13, 2012 10:58:07 am PST #24152 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

I think in Dean's head it's that way because it may have been that way when they were kids.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 12:09:12 pm PST #24153 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So you think he wasn't reading Vonnegut or its parallels when they were young? It seems simpler for me to assume Dean's just off about evaluating himself than that he had a marked change of reading habits.

However, Sam didn't know about it, but it does seem (perhaps unfairly to Sam) that there are a lot of things he didn't notice. I was looking at these animated gifs from early eps, and Sam is us--he finds out Dean is afraid of flying when we do, as opposed to it being a clearly established part of his family persona.

Is that because Sam had his head up his ass, or because Dean wasn't into sharing with him? Did John know? And if so, because he'd been able to see it, or because he was a master detective?

Looking at some more of that person's animated gifs, I'm led to wonder--did Misha tilt his head one time and tar Cas with the "owllike" brush, or was it a consistent tic?


Amy - Feb 13, 2012 12:37:11 pm PST #24154 of 30002
Because books.

I think flying probably wasn't much of an issue growing up, so Sam's surprise about that doesn't really ping me.

I also think the writers favor Dean, at least in terms of writing the fun stuff. Sam was always supposed to be the straight arrow, the one who wanted normal, for one, and Dean has more of a sense of humor and fun (he's the bad boy). I think they riff on Dean's geekiness and extracurricular interests because it's easy to, and it's also a chance to shout out to stuff that Sam wouldn't necessarily like.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 12:50:13 pm PST #24155 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think they riff on Dean's geekiness and extracurricular interests because it's easy to

I think it would be just as easy to make Sam a bona fide bookworm though, enough that it seems a conscious decision not to talk about it at *all*. I know Dean gets more attention, but I feel that us not knowing what music Sam likes, for instance, is deliberate so we can't actually know if we disagree with Dean or not--we either have to take his word for it, or disagree on principle. No evidence. The only bars of his music we heard were Jason Mann, so that barely even counts.

As for the books, it's a simple way to expand our perception of Dean, who could easily be a gun-wielding boozing pussy hound with a heart of gold and less on the details. But when you add it all up, he's a proper mass of contradictions, instead of the most easy version.

I can't quite decide who's our entry point into the story all the time. In some ways it's all about Dean, but in many ways Dean is all about Sam, and Sam is the closest we'll get to our sort of conventional in a Winchester.

So, in summation, dunno.


Juliebird - Feb 13, 2012 1:11:30 pm PST #24156 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I can't imagine that John took his boys flying very often, if at all. So I'm more surprised that Dean knew he was afraid of flying. Maybe there was one trip during Sam's Stanford years that Dean got on a plane for a hunt (maybe to get to Sir faster, who was in trouble, and driving the impala just wasn't practical).

I am mean. Those LJ users who spammed me now have their accounts suspended and it fills me with satisfaction.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 1:18:09 pm PST #24157 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, we don't officially know when Dean got the Impala, do we? Maybe he flew once, when stealing wasn't sufficient (in a way I'm surprised that John would have been okay enough with grand theft auto that the boys seriously think any car is fair game--he's still a rules and regs guy--I have to ponder that a little), to a solo job while Sam was away, and it went so badly John gave him the Impala and bought himself something newer.

Never saying out loud that was the reason, though.


Juliebird - Feb 13, 2012 5:29:14 pm PST #24158 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Wow, got excited over two new Mafia AU's. First one was so sweet in how bad the English was, second one was slightly better, but even more disappointing for all the author's notes that made it seem like it would be MORE.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2012 5:36:51 pm PST #24159 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think I saw one Mafia AU by someone I have author's notes about warning me off. I'm trying to stick with that.

I wish I could make those notes on AO3, though. JeSUS. However, I read stories when I can't parse the summary, so there's no one to blame but me.

There is one true Mafia AU. I should just re-read it when I see another paltry imitation. It's a trope that seems to tend to suck.

scaramouche wrote a new timestamp. I wish there would ever be another large chunk in this universe, but her NY's resolution was two a month! I'm still not over my infatuation with that fic. Pretty much my one true HS AU. And some of the best story-integrated smoking porn I've ever read.

Jollysnidge is chugging along, and I've decided not to hold her foray into Wincest against her, since it's not even remotely affecting her D/C output. I mean, it theoretically might be, but...seriously. Wolf!Dean! Sub!Dean! Yeah, baby.


Amy - Feb 13, 2012 6:38:44 pm PST #24160 of 30002
Because books.

Gen futurefic, and even here the author supposes Sam doesn't really do much for pure pleasure. All work all the time.

Really nice little casefic, though.