Sort of a different camp. Not a Sam girl or a Dean girl. Like both, but not strongly enough to be classified that way. Not really bi-brotheral either. I enjoy the show, and you know am friendly towards them without being even an imaginary friend.

I do have one question on Morgana's political point. (Just to make my own position - Independent, don't like either party, but consider Democrats lesser evil.) Morgana, can you name an example where the Republican and Democratic parties disagree and the Republicans are right and the Democrats are wrong? Not a position by fringe players, but a majority of Republicans in Congress or a Majority of republicans in the Senate, or a non-fringe Republican presidential candidate. (Ron Paul definitely being fringe in the sense that he does not represent a majority of national Republican elected officials and never had a chance at the nomination. Kucinich also being fringe among the Congress.)

can you name an example where the Republican and Democratic parties disagree and the Republicans are right and the Democrats are wrong?

Seriously? Here? I know topic isn't a big deal here, but...oy.

Well, we did label them SamGirls and DeanGirls, so technically we could stretch to the topic. I'm not interested in discussing it but calling Newt Gingrich a DeanGirl does make me giddy with joy.

Why don't we discuss things SamGirls might be right about and DeanGirls are wrong (or vice versa), but I feel like we're on the brink of at best a potentially charged political discussion, at worst, Republican bashing,

Ok, but I note that when Morgana made the comparison, no one suggested there was anything charged about it. I mean the thing about the comparison is that the party positions on issues are not purely adhoc. Maybe both parties are equally right and equally wrong and the perfect position is to split them down the middle to find the position that is just right. But I kind of think it has to be proven if asserted, and not taken for granted. Alternatively if discussing the truth value of the comparison is too fraught, then maybe making the comparison is too fraught. Cause if it is OK to say, but not Ok to argue against then....

But Morgana was just using political parties casually, as an example. At least that's the way I read it. She wasn't discussing their politics at all. It was a point about fandom, not politics.

Oh my God, I just realized that the Republicans and the Democrats are DeanGirls and SamGirls (although I'm not sure I can parse that far enough to delineate which party belongs to which brother). It doesn't matter what Obama does, the Republicans immediately cry foul and tell everyone why it was wrong and how wrong it was and and how they could do it so much better. Whatever the Republicans suggest, the Democrats sneer at and immediately reject and turn their backs in a huff.

Sonds like a point about politics to me. And, I think the last sentence quoted is provably untrue. Heck the payroll tax cut was a Republican idea, accepted by the Democrats. Thing is, I have to get this from David Broder and Thomas Friedman and the whole bevy of "centrist" columnists. I don't want to have to just put up with unanswered on this board as well. KInd of centrist privilege, bashing of anyone not a "moderate", just casually in passing without even thinking about it.

Morgana should speak for herself, but the way I read it, she in no way was bashing either party, and didn't intend to spark a debate about politics. And I am personally not at all interested in discussing in this thread.

Intent is not sole determinant in a case like this. But I did not let it pass unanswered and am willing to stop there. If someone other than you and me wants to continue the discussion, feeling like I've said something they can't let pass, that is OK too.

Well I just got back online, and I apologize for having posted earlier and not having checked in again. When I made my observation about the Republicans and Democrats being like DeanGirls and SamGirls it was following ita's post:

Someone replied to my "poor D:ean" post on IO9, agreeing with me and calling Sam "such an insensitive doodyhead". Even though she goes on to say maybe the Lucifer thing is affecting his ability to empathise, I don't know if I can reply fairly.

Why is it Sam's job to be there for Dean? He's no more less there (elegant phrasing, eh?) for Dean than Dean is failing Sam. They're both really only able to do the practical stuff. I don't get why Dean needs all the understanding here.

I'm not her sort of DeanGirl.

Which led me to thinking about the fangirls who always leap to the defense of one brother or the other regardless of storyline or logic, but see things purely in terms of black or white, one side or the other. And as I was writing my comment CNN was on in the background. I can't tell you which story they were covering at the time because I was on the computer and not listening to the TV, but I caught enough to know the politicians were at loggerheads again.

Basically, that's it. It was meant to be a fairly innocuous statement about people reacting in a kneejerk manner always following one way without viewing shades of gray.

Nothing political about actual live Republicans or Democrats.