Hauser: You really think you can solve the problem? Come into Wolfram & Hart and make everything right? Turn night into glorious day? You pathetic little fairy. Angel: I'm not little.

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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 05, 2012 7:27:10 pm PST #23988 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

can you name an example where the Republican and Democratic parties disagree and the Republicans are right and the Democrats are wrong?

Seriously? Here? I know topic isn't a big deal here, but...oy.


Theresa - Feb 05, 2012 7:35:42 pm PST #23989 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Well, we did label them SamGirls and DeanGirls, so technically we could stretch to the topic. I'm not interested in discussing it but calling Newt Gingrich a DeanGirl does make me giddy with joy.


§ ita § - Feb 05, 2012 7:37:42 pm PST #23990 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why don't we discuss things SamGirls might be right about and DeanGirls are wrong (or vice versa), but I feel like we're on the brink of at best a potentially charged political discussion, at worst, Republican bashing,


Typo Boy - Feb 05, 2012 7:46:53 pm PST #23991 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Ok, but I note that when Morgana made the comparison, no one suggested there was anything charged about it. I mean the thing about the comparison is that the party positions on issues are not purely adhoc. Maybe both parties are equally right and equally wrong and the perfect position is to split them down the middle to find the position that is just right. But I kind of think it has to be proven if asserted, and not taken for granted. Alternatively if discussing the truth value of the comparison is too fraught, then maybe making the comparison is too fraught. Cause if it is OK to say, but not Ok to argue against then....


Amy - Feb 05, 2012 7:56:00 pm PST #23992 of 30002
Because books.

But Morgana was just using political parties casually, as an example. At least that's the way I read it. She wasn't discussing their politics at all. It was a point about fandom, not politics.


Typo Boy - Feb 05, 2012 8:07:12 pm PST #23993 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh my God, I just realized that the Republicans and the Democrats are DeanGirls and SamGirls (although I'm not sure I can parse that far enough to delineate which party belongs to which brother). It doesn't matter what Obama does, the Republicans immediately cry foul and tell everyone why it was wrong and how wrong it was and and how they could do it so much better. Whatever the Republicans suggest, the Democrats sneer at and immediately reject and turn their backs in a huff.

Sonds like a point about politics to me. And, I think the last sentence quoted is provably untrue. Heck the payroll tax cut was a Republican idea, accepted by the Democrats. Thing is, I have to get this from David Broder and Thomas Friedman and the whole bevy of "centrist" columnists. I don't want to have to just put up with unanswered on this board as well. KInd of centrist privilege, bashing of anyone not a "moderate", just casually in passing without even thinking about it.


Amy - Feb 05, 2012 8:14:22 pm PST #23994 of 30002
Because books.

Morgana should speak for herself, but the way I read it, she in no way was bashing either party, and didn't intend to spark a debate about politics. And I am personally not at all interested in discussing in this thread.


Typo Boy - Feb 05, 2012 8:26:40 pm PST #23995 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Intent is not sole determinant in a case like this. But I did not let it pass unanswered and am willing to stop there. If someone other than you and me wants to continue the discussion, feeling like I've said something they can't let pass, that is OK too.


Morgana - Feb 05, 2012 11:07:32 pm PST #23996 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Well I just got back online, and I apologize for having posted earlier and not having checked in again. When I made my observation about the Republicans and Democrats being like DeanGirls and SamGirls it was following ita's post:

Someone replied to my "poor D:ean" post on IO9, agreeing with me and calling Sam "such an insensitive doodyhead". Even though she goes on to say maybe the Lucifer thing is affecting his ability to empathise, I don't know if I can reply fairly.

Why is it Sam's job to be there for Dean? He's no more less there (elegant phrasing, eh?) for Dean than Dean is failing Sam. They're both really only able to do the practical stuff. I don't get why Dean needs all the understanding here.

I'm not her sort of DeanGirl.

Which led me to thinking about the fangirls who always leap to the defense of one brother or the other regardless of storyline or logic, but see things purely in terms of black or white, one side or the other. And as I was writing my comment CNN was on in the background. I can't tell you which story they were covering at the time because I was on the computer and not listening to the TV, but I caught enough to know the politicians were at loggerheads again.

Basically, that's it. It was meant to be a fairly innocuous statement about people reacting in a kneejerk manner always following one way without viewing shades of gray.

Nothing political about actual live Republicans or Democrats.


§ ita § - Feb 06, 2012 4:39:56 am PST #23997 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nothing political about actual live Republicans or Democrats.

Exactly how I read it too, to be honest. Looked like a point about people.