Wash: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction. Zoe: We live in a space ship, dear. Wash: So?

'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Nov 24, 2011 7:02:38 am PST #23053 of 30002
Because books.

He was a kid in Vietnam -- he would have been a total grunt, and not in any position of authority.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2011 7:04:15 am PST #23054 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How old was he when he left? What rank? I don't remember what ranking Dean gave in Croatoan.

I guess there was a moment, like the moment before he cut his hand for the angel sigils, where it all became different, because it had to.

But I'm wondering what sort of experience he already had, and what he had to gain.


sumi - Nov 24, 2011 7:08:56 am PST #23055 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

One of my friends on adifferent team than me had some reammates that dud the show up at the address thing. After the work Misha bought them pizza!

So, so jealous.


Amy - Nov 24, 2011 7:09:31 am PST #23056 of 30002
Because books.

I think Anne worked it all out, although it doesn't really work, if you check all the dates. He had to have been eighteen and not much more, simply because it was late in the war by then.

SuperWiki says:

John cannot plausibly have been born any later than 1957 (so as to have been 18, and in the Marines, in 1975). Considering the notes below about Vietnam force reduction, the likelihood is high that he turned 18 before 1971 (in which case his birth year would be 1953 or earlier).
In an alternate reality experienced by Dean, John's gravestone indicates he was born in 1954.

And Dean says he was a corporal, which is fourth from the lowest.


Anne W. - Nov 24, 2011 7:13:38 am PST #23057 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

For John not to have reached Corporal if he did a full stint, he would have had to fuck up pretty badly. But yeah, the dates only work with a fair amount of hand-waving.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2011 7:16:05 am PST #23058 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thank you, Anne, resident Marine expert. So what does Corporal entail in terms of leadership and responsibility.

And thank you, Amy, outsourced wetware.


Amy - Nov 24, 2011 7:18:21 am PST #23059 of 30002
Because books.

I feel I should have some sort of badge for that.

I'll have to ask my dad and/or brother about a corporal's duties/leadership, although as Navy guys they might not know specifically.


Anne W. - Nov 24, 2011 7:22:18 am PST #23060 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Leadership-wise I think a corporal might have led a patrol group or work group of about four or so. So, some leadership on a very small, very immediate scale.


sumi - Nov 24, 2011 7:23:59 am PST #23061 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Not unlike leading your two boys on hunts!


Anne W. - Nov 24, 2011 7:27:19 am PST #23062 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Perzactly!