I think it's the setup for an actual scene that they riffed on. No idea why, that's just my feeling.

Everyone saw it? Sorry I posted and ran -- had to run to the grocery store.

Yeah, I figure they were there shooting an actual scene and started messing around. And filmed it, so we could show it every year at Christmas!

I wonder if they're going to address Dean's drinking problem head on. I want him to be an alcoholic forever, dammit.

My laptop decided to update just as I was getting ready to reply, darnit.

But I think that while up until now, Show has treated Dean's drinking habits as "it's there, but we don't talk about it", this last ep was pretty pointed about it. Less "yeah, he's functional, but hush" and more "pay attention to this!". It was just so much more blatant.

Of course, I thought that Cas' sexuality would be explored after Caged Heat, and nothing came of it.

So, I dunno, signs say we will see more on the subject, past experience tells me not to hold my breath.

Also, I think that just because a subject is addressed, doesn't necessitate it being resolved.

And now I'm cringingly thinking on the last episode and Dean's guilt. I just . . . that's just too big a subject to dedicate only one episode to. I think that's what bothers me most. That it's so messy and complicated and to have it distilled to a couple of points seemed wrong. And I never would have chosen Jo as Dean's top points of guilt.

When Osiris was asking Sam about Dean pulling him back into the life, I really wanted Sam to ask him if he knew nothing about the demon blood. And how demons have been watching over him his whole life. And that Sam was destined to be pulled back in eventually.

That it's so messy and complicated and to have it distilled to a couple of points seemed wrong. And I never would have chosen Jo as Dean's top points of guilt.

I don't understand why you think that one episode would be the end of it. They've certainly carried through other character arcs.

I think Jo was fan service, but I didn't mind, because I enjoyed seeing her again. And I think she would be fairly high on his list, if only because he did see her as a sort of family.

Amy, maybe that's my lack of faith in the writing, but my overall gut reaction to the ep is that is was trying to address the issue of Dean's guilty in a tidy episode, and I don't believe they'll follow up on it. And my extreme dislike of the ep is preventing me from rewatching and deciding whether it seems like a subject that will be explored further, and again my gut reaction is that it won't. My takeaway was that this was it, and they'll be moving on to other subjects in other episodes, and there will be no follow-through on the topic of Dean's guilt.

I can't articulate why this struck me as a one-shot afterschool special episode, or why I feel like Show seems to be done with the topic. Maybe I'm being irrational about it.

I wish I was smarter and better able to explain the disappointment I felt with that ep or the lack of hope it left me with on that particular subject.

I guess. . . I guess it just didn't feel like the beginning of a character arc. I've had plenty of opportunities to be faithless at the prospect of a character arc, haven't, and been disappointed, although right now I can't recall when I thought something wasn't truly explored. But something about this ep made it seem like it was trying too hard to tackle all of Dean's guilty, failing, and while I know more needs to be addressed, I just don't see it happening. Just by the very existence of the episode and now it went about dealing with Dean's guilt.

I don't think it's accurate to call it a one shot, since Dean has been pretty clearly torn up by this sort of displaced responsibility his whole life. I think the point was made that they've wrestled it down to non overwhelming noise for the moment, and forty two minutes seems fair to take for that. Much longer would be tiresome to me, honestly. But I did like the ep, so there's that.

Now, if they get him off the sauce in one ep, I will totally feel cheated.

Good god. Am I reading this right? Was SPN seriously the cheapest CW (and therefore probably cheapest period) show to advertise on? Cheaper than Hellcats?

I'm not sure the drinking and guilt can be separated from grief and despair and ingrained habits. I think part of this season is going to be about Dean's spiral. He's the one who's shouldered on every time, who never really breaks. Sam has, a few times over, and Dean's due.

And I think the whole season so far has built toward that. This episode sort of proved his mental health is *not* over with, because Sam showed him a way to get through, and he couldn't take it. He's compounding his guilt by not telling about Amy, and he knows it.

I had this feeling, watching the ep, that a few seasons ago, it would have been a Trickster ep. Gabriel was a good instrument for addressing this shit without it being totally ASS. Osiris*, unfortunately, was no Trickster.

* What's the line in American Gods about the feather being remarkably heavy?

Amy, I totally see the downward-spiral arc, although I'm not sure where they can really go with it.