Dean's mistake, more than the writers'.
I can see it that way, absolutely. But I would like it to mean something later on, i.e. there should be consequences from that decision.
I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.
Fred ,'A Hole in the World'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Amy - Oct 09, 2011 6:06:23 pm PDT #22207 of 30002
Because books.
Cass - Oct 09, 2011 6:37:44 pm PDT #22208 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
It works for me in the same way the memory wipe was totally not a solution to Lisa's problem--Dean's mistake, more than the writers'.
While I can read that as Dean making a bad decision for what he thinks is a good enough reason, I can't with the kid.
How does this make him anything other than the Big Bad in some monster's life who hasn't killed yet but surely will in the future if it is so survive?
I mean, clearly, I don't love this direction. You are, at best, ensuring innocent people die and, at worst, making yourself an enemy who only knows you killed his mom and he wants to avenge it.
§ ita § - Oct 10, 2011 12:26:51 am PDT #22209 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If Dean had said "I will come for you, should you try and kill someone" would it have made a difference for you?
If I try and put myself in Dean's shoes, I'm not ensuring innocent people will die any more than would have otherwise happened--he wasn't killing Amy to punish her, but to keep people safe from her. And Dean has this early-imprinted soft spot with kids that he'd have to know they were killing (as opposed to know they were going to kill) in order to off them.
Looking back--how many monsters has Dean offed that had a zero body count?
Anne W. - Oct 10, 2011 2:00:27 am PDT #22210 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
something is rotten in the state of Deanmark
Ha! Love it.
I've been thinking a bit more, and I found myself coming back to the idea that if the kid had not been in the equation, if Amy had been killing because she had been getting sick, the ending might have seemed a lot cleaner, morally speaking.
Given the stress the boys are under, and how helpless Dean feels in the fallout of what happened with Castiel and after having been laid up for weeks and having Sam to deal with, I could see him not thinking things through past the point of clean up whatever mess I can clean up now. He didn't plan for having to deal with Amy's son, and I think Joshua showing up when he did probably messed with Dean's head a lot, on quite a number of fronts. And Dean's head doesn't need any more messing with right now.
Bobby's attitude towards Dean in the episode seems fitting if he's been dealing with three weeks of Dean slowly (or not so slowly) unraveling. Since this season's first episode, there's been a lot of Dean pretending he's holding it together and Bobby trying to call him on it. Also, I can only imagine how Bobby would have reacted after he got that Thelma and Louise message from Dean in the wake of the fire.
Right now, Sam, even with his persistently shaky grasp on reality, seems more sane and grounded to me than Dean does. He's not the brother who's the ticking time bomb, IMO.
Anyhow, I'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out, but so far I'm really enjoying what they're doing this season.
Amy - Oct 10, 2011 6:41:13 am PDT #22211 of 30002
Because books.
This thread is so weird right now. Too many Amys! It's confusing.
so far I'm really enjoying what they're doing this season
God, me too. I mean, I always do in the moment. It's only when some time passes that I can look back and say, yeah, S3, not their best work. But even when it's not their best (let's say ... All Dogs Go to Heaven, or the ghost ship) there are always ALWAYS worthwhile moments.
To wit, Dean in a thigh holster and on a rooftop as a sniper, and Dean in a tux.
JenP - Oct 10, 2011 7:03:18 am PDT #22212 of 30002
Oh, yes. I'm loving the season so far.
§ ita § - Oct 10, 2011 7:37:51 am PDT #22213 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Someone on IO9 said that Sam will beat Dean down when he finds out Dean killed Amy. I tried to point out their relationship doesn't work that way, but he told me I don't understand brothers.
Which isn't the point. Sam and Dean don't work that way. Sam only beats up Dean when he's under an influence. He may be very upset and argue a lot, but he won't get physical, don't you think?
Amy - Oct 10, 2011 7:41:53 am PDT #22214 of 30002
Because books.
I agree. I think especially right now, Sam is being very careful with every action he takes. He's not going to beat the shit out of Dean. When has he ever done that, aside from when he was ready to go kill Lilith and way high on demon blood? Never, is when.
§ ita § - Oct 10, 2011 8:32:56 am PDT #22215 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The guy has accused me of not paying attention.
Yeah, dude. Because that's something I do. Not pay attention to the brotherly dynamics on Supernatural. Someone's new.
Beverly - Oct 10, 2011 8:35:38 am PDT #22216 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
