Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 7:09:22 am PDT #22160 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying I would have made the same decision Dean did, just that I find it perfectly plausible and non-besmirching that he did what he did.

And, no doubt, had he killed a kid, similar parties would be calling OOC and character assassination anyway. Many of these people are the ones that were bitching about S7 sucking before it even started.

In other news--next week, Jo!


Anne W. - Oct 08, 2011 7:16:15 am PDT #22161 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

It was such a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. There was NO good solution, really.

similar parties would be calling OOC and character assassination anyway

It frustrates me to no end when people insist on pigeonholing characters as All Good, All the Time, or not seeing that characters can change (and change drastically) depending on experience and circumstance. In a way, I have to wonder how Dean would have handled the Jesse issue now vs. two years ago. Maybe not all that different in outcome but he might have taken a different road to the same general ending.

(And yes, it was worth postponing SPN to watch the game in its entirety. It was glorious.)


Ginger - Oct 08, 2011 7:22:37 am PDT #22162 of 30002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Kitsune. Nice slipping in of a Japanese monster there, without any actual Asian people.

Also, they made a trickster shape shifter that can be an extension of a god into a brain-sucking monster.


Amy - Oct 08, 2011 7:23:00 am PDT #22163 of 30002
Because books.

I forgot to say congratulations, Anne! We're probably the only non-Phillies fans in this town (at our house, they're The Filthies, since we're Mets fan till death), and it was very gratifying to watch them choke.

This season is fascinating me so far. Granted, I'm the easiest fan ever in terms of pleasing me, but still.

Sammy, angsting and wrestling with Lucifer and pushing on his scarred hand! Dean, grieving and snarly and bad-ass and angsty! New monsters! Old monsters! Flashbacks! I love you, Sera. Call me.


Stephanie - Oct 08, 2011 7:40:15 am PDT #22164 of 30002
Trust my rage

So at the end of Season 5, Dean was going to trust Sam and decided that he couldn't really "let" Sam do anything - that Sam was trustworthy to make his own decisions.

And then he couldn't trust Sam because he lost his soul and had no moral compass. I need to rewatch but I'm trying to remember exactly why he left Sam behind at the end of Season 6.

So now, he doesn't trust Sam's judgment when it comes to killing the monster. I see Dean's point but to me, the bigger betrayal here is lying to Sam (essentially) and killing Amy. Leaving the boy does seem...not out of character, but like the character is changing. I guess it goes along with Dean thinking he knows what is best for Cas. I wish I had time to rewatch the last few seasons because I feel like there are some themes here that I can sense but not quite identify. Either way, I'm worried about Dean. Sam seems to be dealing with his issues, but Dean...I don't know.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 7:41:41 am PDT #22165 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

why he left Sam behind at the end of Season 6

When, exactly?


ehab - Oct 08, 2011 7:43:42 am PDT #22166 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

Either way, I'm worried about Dean. Sam seems to be dealing with his issues, but Dean...I don't know.

Same here.

I think if he killed the mom, he should have killed the kid. If he didn't kill kid, he should have had a plan for dealing with the kid.

I think they're setting Dean up for the same hubris that Castiel fell victim to.


Stephanie - Oct 08, 2011 7:44:09 am PDT #22167 of 30002
Trust my rage

Well, I'm trying to remember clearly what happened. But didn't Bobby and Dean take off to confront Cas and leave Sam behind? And Sam showed up in the Impala at the last minute?

I can't remember why Sam wasn't with them, but I'm trying to track this idea of Dean not trusting Sam.


ehab - Oct 08, 2011 7:45:35 am PDT #22168 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

Wasn't Sam comatose from the wall falling? He pulled himself up by the bootstraps to come help. Dean had left a note and begged him to pull it together.


Stephanie - Oct 08, 2011 7:48:18 am PDT #22169 of 30002
Trust my rage

Oh, I think you are right. So when did Dean start not trusting Sam again? I'm just curious because the moment last night was almost identical to the moment at the end of S5, except this time, Dean was totally lying through his teeth and clearly doesn't trust Sam to make important decisions.