Poor Buffy. Your life resists all things average.

Willow ,'First Date'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 6:34:37 am PDT #22152 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I dunno. I buy Dean not ganking the kid. It's the middle ground between him being soft on kids and hard on monsters.

Quick scan of tumblr, and the people I follow hate it, and think that it's Dean character assassination. I'm not sure why...because he lied to Sam? Because he killed Amy?

Interesting that they ended up at a place of Rufus's. I had kinda expected the Campbell's stronghold.


Amy - Oct 08, 2011 6:38:25 am PDT #22153 of 30002
Because books.

In that photo Jared just posted, Jensen looks almost S1 young.

Took me a minute to realize they look weird because they're still dressed in Sam and Dean clothes.

It's the middle ground between him being soft on kids and hard on monsters.

Being soft on kids doesn't really work with leaving a kid orphaned and alone, especially when he knows he's monster!different, and not exactly going to be able to hack normal life in a foster family.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 6:45:24 am PDT #22154 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Being soft on kids doesn't really work with leaving a kid orphaned and alone, especially when he knows he's monster!

That's why I'm calling it a middle ground. He won't kill him because he's a kid who hasn't killed anyone (I think if he had been a murdered, Dean would have killed him), but he won't go so far as to aid and abet a monster.

It's sort of like how they won't kill witches.

Kitsune. Nice slipping in of a Japanese monster there, without any actual Asian people.


ehab - Oct 08, 2011 6:45:55 am PDT #22155 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

Being soft on kids doesn't really work with leaving a kid orphaned and alone, especially when he knows he's monster!different, and not exactly going to be able to hack normal life in a foster family.

This. It felt sloppy and cruel. I'm sure this is what the Dean character assassination fuss is about.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 6:53:12 am PDT #22156 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But Dean is absolutely hard on monsters. It takes Sam to talk him down from shit like that, and he was deliberately not there with Sam.


Amy - Oct 08, 2011 6:56:10 am PDT #22157 of 30002
Because books.

He won't kill him because he's a kid who hasn't killed anyone

But my beef is with the kid part -- leaving a helpless kid alone without a mom, especially one who doesn't know how to feed himself yet, even if feeding himself is wrong. And I guess especially since feeding himself is going to lead to murder.

I'm not angry about it -- I think it's an indication that he's just really far gone in grief and distrust and not operating on usual Dean logic or emotions.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 6:59:59 am PDT #22158 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you think he should have killed him, then? What were the alternatives?


Amy - Oct 08, 2011 7:04:20 am PDT #22159 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, I do. He knew she had a kid -- Sam said so. I was expecting when Amy walked in that the kid was already dead, actually, because I didn't think they would show him doing it. The Dean in my head would have dispatched him quickly and as painlessly as possible, with a muttered, "I'm sorry, kid."

The fact that he seemed surprised to see the kid there at all, and was obviously ready to leave that room without wondering where the kid was before he showed up in the doorway, seems sloppier than Dean's usual MO. Especially for a guy who had the wherewithal to find Amy in the first place, ditch Sam, and be waiting for her.

The fact that he hadn't thought about what to do with the kid seems weird to me. But I'm chalking it up to him being a little off his game right now, and messed up emotionally.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2011 7:09:22 am PDT #22160 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying I would have made the same decision Dean did, just that I find it perfectly plausible and non-besmirching that he did what he did.

And, no doubt, had he killed a kid, similar parties would be calling OOC and character assassination anyway. Many of these people are the ones that were bitching about S7 sucking before it even started.

In other news--next week, Jo!


Anne W. - Oct 08, 2011 7:16:15 am PDT #22161 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

It was such a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. There was NO good solution, really.

similar parties would be calling OOC and character assassination anyway

It frustrates me to no end when people insist on pigeonholing characters as All Good, All the Time, or not seeing that characters can change (and change drastically) depending on experience and circumstance. In a way, I have to wonder how Dean would have handled the Jesse issue now vs. two years ago. Maybe not all that different in outcome but he might have taken a different road to the same general ending.

(And yes, it was worth postponing SPN to watch the game in its entirety. It was glorious.)