I think that anything that encourages the boys to be in opposition to one another is NOT GOOD. So both the angels and the demons are bad, and whatever it was in Sam's brain (or outside it) that gave him that vision of Mary telling him the Dean was weak--that was also wrong.

Dean's stronger than Sam realizes. And Sam's righter than Dean knows.

But I'm still worried about Bobby.

Also, why the hell didn't Dean tell Sam what Castiel said about what it would take to kill Lilith?

Also also, I WISH they would stoop having anyone other than Dean call Castiel "Cas". It's just wrong.

Also also, I WISH they would stoop having anyone other than Dean call Castiel "Cas". It's just wrong.

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It really is jarring. I mean, in crackfic, I may like the prospect of angels hanging out at the watercooler and shooting the breeze and using diminutives, but in canon I really pretty much want them to be ANGELS.

Didn't Uriel even call him 'Cas' at one point?

Man, that was a harrowing episode. I love that Sam and Dean and Castiel are all apparently doing the wrong things for what they see as the right reasons.

As for Ruby, I don't trust her any further than I could throw the Chrysler building, but I rather like the idea that she is trying to stop the Apocalypse. Perhaps her little fry-loving self simply likes Earth more than Hell.

(Yes, I have re-read "Good Omens" recently.)

Oh, God - I would love to be able to hold out some hopes for having Team Winchester go up against the angels AND the demons - Sam and Dean, with their runaway demon and (fallen?) angel being the only people out there to STOP the apocalypse. Would be awesome. The four of them in the Metallicar, on the road, eating fries, singing Bohemian Rhapsody in the manner of Wayne's World...

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Perhaps her little fry-loving self simply likes Earth more than Hell.

"You've got dog racing, Manchester United, and you've got people... billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then, someone comes along with a vision. With a real... passion for destruction. Angel could pull it off. Goodbye Piccadilly, farewell Leicester-bloody-Square."

Zacharia and his ilk are tired of humanity's screwups and want to purge the cosmos of us--the questions are, are the angels on the side of God--and is God at home, or has he been deposed, or has he scarpered off under his own will for greener fields elsewhere, leaving his minions to run the store?

I don't necessarily see it like that since he did seem to be working toward the greater good if not in a particularly comforting way, but I can see Zacheriah and other higher-ups believing that the prophesied apocalypse is supposed to happen, and thus withdrawing from efforts to prevent the seals from breaking. As in "The final battle has been foretold, and Lucifer's Thousand Years begins now."

On further reflection, something leapt out at me. "You don't know me. You never have."

Hurt younger sibling spite? Or (dum, dum, duuummm) prophetic pronouncement? Were there clues to this? Some terrifying space clues that I may have overlooked?

Also, why the hell didn't Dean tell Sam what Castiel said about what it would take to kill Lilith?

But that would be too much like having actual honest communication!

t /maybe a little bit cranky

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After we saw Castiel's change in attitude, I thought to myself that now he's going to Fall, not for helping the humans, but for his own guilt that he can't.

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But that would be too much like having actual honest communication!

I don't know. Given that Dean had locked him in an iron cage to die, and offered reconciliation only the condition that Sam and Dean kill Sam's girlfriend, maybe Sam does not see much point in honest communication.