What is your childhood trauma?

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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Jul 27, 2011 2:39:06 pm PDT #20750 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm mostly used to them using the relative authorities of the angels to determine their ages, starting with Castiel being about Dean's age. Which tends to leave an awkward gap for S/G if it's a high school story.

I don't quite see a way out of the prisoner/doctor one if the truth has been told so far. So I'm assuming there's more to it than that.

She also has to finish the story about gay camp. I think author's notes should mention when Sam and Dean aren't related, especially when there's a reverse age difference. I spent way too long trying to make that work.

Of course, he's not a horse, as I suspect was done in the Tangled adaptation. Which irritated me, because Cas was the babiest specialest angel again. But I guess there needed to be a reason for him to be locked up in a tower.


Cass - Jul 27, 2011 2:39:58 pm PDT #20751 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

what with them being hundreds of millions of years older than the Winchesters in canon.

"Why can't I date an eight billion year old nebulous form wearing a tax accountant? He's a good 'guy' and heeeee didn't step on the little fish that would evolve into an amphibian."


Juliebird - Jul 29, 2011 11:13:38 pm PDT #20752 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think I am just about done with fic fanon having Dean making huge life decisions to pay for Sam's higher education (entering into risky, shady, dangerous situations and lifestyles, working twenty jobs, giving up his own dreams, etc).

People, Sam made his own way! Why is fic!Sam suddenly incompetent (I know that's not the motive behind it, but I always get a little mad at lazy lazy Sam when I read it)? Why do the writers think Dean needs this? I can see it being shorthand for how self-sacrificing Dean is for Sam, but, like, isn't just practically raising the kid good enough? Is it to make up for the lack of Dean getting a chance to trade his soul for Sam's life in this type of fic? (this actually makes sense to me, but I wish writers found other creative ways to replace that pivotal gesture instead of adopting this as fact). Is this a D/C failing, or does it pop up in gen and wincest AU's?

In related news, am very excited over the D/C western to come out of the BB.


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2011 6:03:15 am PDT #20753 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't mind the idea that Dean thinks his shot at a vaguely normal life is less important than a very good shot for Sam. Sam obviously has to do some work--he's putting in the study hours. Dean's just making sure he has the luxury of living with his head in the books, while Dean puts food on the table, etc, for him. I don't get the impression that Sam is lazy, just that he's working his ass off academically, and in more than a few stories the happy ending is when he gets a full ride and Dean gets to ease up on what ever he's doing.


Juliebird - Jul 30, 2011 6:54:04 am PDT #20754 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think, for me, it's that it has entered the territory of "Castiel is a weird name"/"My parents were very religious" and "Sam's bitchface number eleven".


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2011 7:17:48 am PDT #20755 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Unlike those, I think it's integral to his character, the giving up and lack of a desire to do things for himself.


Amy - Jul 30, 2011 7:39:07 am PDT #20756 of 30002
Because books.

Dean will reward himself (fulfill his desires) in only the smallest and most fleeting ways possible -- getting laid, a piece of pie, a steam shower. That's his bliss.

I don't quite understand getting mad at the Sam (or whatever character) in the story, though. If anything, I would be annoyed at the author if I thought they were writing something really OOC, or making one character unattractive without good reason.


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2011 1:02:14 pm PDT #20757 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It seems rare to me that Sam takes it for granted that he's owed what Dean gives him, even if they have the requisite fight and separation.

OMG, I almost re-read the self-lubing mangina fic. That's so traumatic. I hope your other pairings don't have that.


Juliebird - Jul 31, 2011 1:05:53 pm PDT #20758 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I would be annoyed at the author

In the end, yeah, I am, but if the story's pretty good and I'm involved, my gut reaction is to be annoyed at Sam, and secondarily at the author.

It seems rare to me that Sam takes it for granted that he's owed what Dean gives him

I don't think it's ever really conveyed that Sam takes it for granted, more that the author is taking it for granted, which strikes me as the author relying on a well-worn trope without actually thinking it through for their own story.

Anyway, just a lot of misplaced annoyance on my part. It is a good way to get across Dean's lack of self-worth and putting Sam's welfare ahead of his own. I guess I'd just like to see another take on it once in a while.

I read a story from Jensen_Misha that was really Jared/Jensen and implied Jared/Misha, where there is knotting, self-lubing manginas, and Jared screaming "Take my puppies!!!".

I felt bad for laughing hysterically over what was essentially a rape fic. I cringe as I type that.


§ ita § - Jul 31, 2011 1:26:45 pm PDT #20759 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Self lubing manginas are worse body horror to me than mpreg. I just read the most schmaltzy post mpreg story to see what I was missing, and i think the answer is still not much, as far as my tastes are concerned. Plus mega OOC.