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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - May 19, 2011 5:40:11 am PDT #19855 of 30002
Because books.

I'm still wondering how the war in heaven will go.

  • If Raphael wins, we're looking at Apocalypse 2.0, which seems ... stupid.

  • But if Cas defeats Raphael, he's either going to be too busy running heaven to hang with the boys, or he's going to have to crash-course all the angels in free will so he can (in which case he might fall purposely, like Anna did, to live out his life as a human?).

  • Or he's going to die defeating Raphael.


§ ita § - May 19, 2011 6:01:34 am PDT #19856 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or he has to make a huge sacrifice in order to either win or mitigate the deal he's made with Crowley or protect the boys and falls as a result.


Amy - May 19, 2011 6:11:07 am PDT #19857 of 30002
Because books.

I forgot sacrifice. That's very true.

I still think they have to wind up defeating Raphael somehow, because otherwise we're back to ... whatever square the apocalypse was.

I think having him human could work for S7 in a way the speculation about Sam couldn't. I also like the idea, because it's more fish out of water stuff for Misha to play, but I'm not sure if they would go there.

IT'S ALMOST FRIDAY. I'm a wee bit excited. And apprehensive.


§ ita § - May 19, 2011 6:28:40 am PDT #19858 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know if there's anywhere else for them to go with him as an angel, though. Unless they have angel-proof adversaries next year. So my current kittens are on him falling.

I looked at my iPod this morning and thought of "Carry On Wayward Son" and got quite choked up.

And then read a stupid fanfic in which Cas proposes to Dean with a kitten and Dean calls himself a fiancée, so I'm pretty much over it. What is with people? Part of me thinks they must hate the show, that's why they write the fixit fic. I need to not click.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2011 6:30:15 am PDT #19859 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I doubt they'd go there, but there's also the option of Castiel winning the fight against Raphael but being so changed by channeling all those creepily mutated souls from Purgatory that he's effectively an antagonist in Season 7.


Amy - May 19, 2011 6:31:57 am PDT #19860 of 30002
Because books.

It's all wish fulfillment. I think it's less fix-it and more that they love Dean and Cas, for example, but in that situation, if the writer were Dean, that's what she would want to happen. A disconnect between truth in characterization and personal fantasy.

I don't know if there's anywhere else for them to go with him as an angel, though.

I agree. I just don't want Cas to go away.


§ ita § - May 19, 2011 6:35:57 am PDT #19861 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if the writer were Dean

And there is my disconnect. Now, none of us are like Dean, and that's a good thing. But if you have the emotional development of a middle schooler, why are you publically projecting that onto a 30 year old PTSD suffering killer? Who's a guy?

channeling all those creepily mutated souls

Do we know that he's been channelling them in the first place?


Amy - May 19, 2011 6:45:27 am PDT #19862 of 30002
Because books.

I didn't articulate that very well. It's more that if you are a teenager, you want Dean to have what would make you happy, i.e. a proposal with a kitten and the chance to call someone "fiance".

It's why in so much bad romance, men don't ever behave like, well, men, or speak like men. They turn into every soggy fantasy of the nice guy who only cares about the heroine's feeeeeelings and pleasure and lifelong desires.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2011 6:52:31 am PDT #19863 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Do we know that he's been channelling them in the first place?

I think it's implied that's what he did with the 50,000 he got from Crowley - tapping into them to charge up for that surprise attack instead of bowing to Raphael. But who knows what would happen if he opened Purgatory and started monkeying around with souls that are no longer exactly human.


§ ita § - May 19, 2011 6:52:32 am PDT #19864 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I get the bit where everyone wants everyone to hug. I really do. (MY god, the amount of Batfamily hugging fanart--it's incredible). But the number of authors I'm having to LJ note because they don't seem to be watching the same show with the same characters...I dunno, sometimes the disconnect creeps me out. I don't get what they can see in the canon.