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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - May 17, 2011 4:32:03 pm PDT #19837 of 30002
Because books.

Wow, I agree, too.

That vid is excellent. He goes so far with the bit, and it's so good.


§ ita § - May 17, 2011 4:40:45 pm PDT #19838 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Every time he gets all bookish like that, I just think of Jared's dorkily big brain beating him in games, and it makes me crack up. I probably couldn't keep up with either of them when they got going good.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 17, 2011 5:25:03 pm PDT #19839 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I have to admit, I agree with the commenters on this picture that think it's a shop and not a painting. I just can't believe they're up and saying it so cattily.

Oh yeah. While I suppose it's in the realm of possibility, I seriously doubt that an artist capable of photorealistic digital painting would work so hard to replicate the effects of using a combination of Photoshop filters on a screencap from the "Mommy Dearest" episode.


§ ita § - May 18, 2011 11:14:08 am PDT #19840 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Speaking of that, I took this image and laid over the source photo, and it doesn't diverge significantly anywhere. The artist claims they painted it. Now, they're down to a pixel precision in a 1280 pixel picture. Can a paintover be that precise?

I bring it up because that artist is one of the people calling the previous person a cheater, and I don't get how their photorealism is supposed to be much better.


Lee - May 18, 2011 1:25:43 pm PDT #19841 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

We've now had Mary, John, Sam, Dean, Samuel, Bobby, and Castiel make deals with a demon.

Which of those do you think is the worst? How about most justified?


Anne W. - May 18, 2011 1:54:04 pm PDT #19842 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Worst, I would say it's a tossup between Samuel (willing to throw other people under the bus to get Mary back?) and Castiel (his motivations may have been more selfless than Samuel's, but others' souls knowingly being put at risk... no).

Most justified, Bobby. It was a calculated move, and it was done with a clear head and (IIRC) put no one else unwittingly at risk.

Edit: YDealMV, of course. I look forward to seeing what others think and why.


§ ita § - May 18, 2011 1:54:55 pm PDT #19843 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

By Sam's deal with a demon, you mean working with Ruby? I mean, not like formal deals like Mary, John, Dean, and Bobby?

I think I think Mary's is the worst. I feel bad about that. But she brought John back to her--which is perfectly understandable, and more healthy than what her husband or son did, which was bring people back to life to live without them.

eta: No, Samuel is the worst, but I don't even see it in the same framework.


sumi - May 18, 2011 1:55:19 pm PDT #19844 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Clearly the whole lot needs somesort of demon addiction intervention.


Amy - May 18, 2011 2:04:20 pm PDT #19845 of 30002
Because books.

Bobby's is easily the most justified, for the reasons Anne said.

I think Mary's had consequences that were so far-reaching, it made it just awful, but at the time she'd lost her parents and her boyfriend, and she was getting back only one. In that moment, it seems understandable.

John's was that weird combination of selfless and selfish -- saving Dean but leaving his sons without him, and Dean to feel the guilt of being saved while his father died.

Dean's so similar, too -- way to learn from the old man, boy. But he was so alone! Emotionally, sort of understandable.

I think Samuel's was obscene, and a really poor choice on the writers' part in terms of motivation and emotional logic, so I try to pretend it didn't happen.

Castiel ... probably doesn't think of what he's doing as a "deal" in the same way. There are huge amounts of rationalization going on there, all tangled up with really good intentions. I don't even know how to feel about it.


JenP - May 18, 2011 3:14:24 pm PDT #19846 of 30002

Interrupting to post that I just had a deam that was like a Show episode. All I remember is that Crowley split himself into two mini-Crowleys as a cunning disguise. Hilarious. I think I was Sam.