I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby.

Giles ,'Beneath You'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Anne W. - May 18, 2011 1:54:04 pm PDT #19842 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Worst, I would say it's a tossup between Samuel (willing to throw other people under the bus to get Mary back?) and Castiel (his motivations may have been more selfless than Samuel's, but others' souls knowingly being put at risk... no).

Most justified, Bobby. It was a calculated move, and it was done with a clear head and (IIRC) put no one else unwittingly at risk.

Edit: YDealMV, of course. I look forward to seeing what others think and why.


§ ita § - May 18, 2011 1:54:55 pm PDT #19843 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

By Sam's deal with a demon, you mean working with Ruby? I mean, not like formal deals like Mary, John, Dean, and Bobby?

I think I think Mary's is the worst. I feel bad about that. But she brought John back to her--which is perfectly understandable, and more healthy than what her husband or son did, which was bring people back to life to live without them.

eta: No, Samuel is the worst, but I don't even see it in the same framework.


sumi - May 18, 2011 1:55:19 pm PDT #19844 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Clearly the whole lot needs somesort of demon addiction intervention.


Amy - May 18, 2011 2:04:20 pm PDT #19845 of 30002
Because books.

Bobby's is easily the most justified, for the reasons Anne said.

I think Mary's had consequences that were so far-reaching, it made it just awful, but at the time she'd lost her parents and her boyfriend, and she was getting back only one. In that moment, it seems understandable.

John's was that weird combination of selfless and selfish -- saving Dean but leaving his sons without him, and Dean to feel the guilt of being saved while his father died.

Dean's so similar, too -- way to learn from the old man, boy. But he was so alone! Emotionally, sort of understandable.

I think Samuel's was obscene, and a really poor choice on the writers' part in terms of motivation and emotional logic, so I try to pretend it didn't happen.

Castiel ... probably doesn't think of what he's doing as a "deal" in the same way. There are huge amounts of rationalization going on there, all tangled up with really good intentions. I don't even know how to feel about it.


JenP - May 18, 2011 3:14:24 pm PDT #19846 of 30002

Interrupting to post that I just had a deam that was like a Show episode. All I remember is that Crowley split himself into two mini-Crowleys as a cunning disguise. Hilarious. I think I was Sam.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 18, 2011 6:15:28 pm PDT #19847 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Castiel's does have the advantage of apparently just being a working agreement, with himself in the position of power and able to walk away at any time if he's willing to deal with the consequences of not having further aid from below. Of course, it's also for much higher stakes than any of the others were on the face of it, so the potential fallout is probably even worse.


§ ita § - May 18, 2011 6:32:01 pm PDT #19848 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, so who dies? Last two eps before a finale, chances are good someone dies, I reckon. And...do they come back?

I vote for Balthazar's death, I think. If not him, Crowley. Final for both.

I'm also braced for the fall of Castiel and him not being regular next year, which would break my little heart. I hate the idea of any of them getting independent lives.


lcat - May 18, 2011 7:17:21 pm PDT #19849 of 30002
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

For the requisite end of season death, based on the teaser clip, I'm kind of hoping that

Sam's loss of memory carries over into season 7 and acts as metaphorical death of Sam the hunter

I can see all kinds of story-telling possibilities with that


§ ita § - May 18, 2011 7:37:57 pm PDT #19850 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ooh. I definitely hope that doesn't happen.


Amy - May 18, 2011 7:44:41 pm PDT #19851 of 30002
Because books.

I think it would be fascinating, but in fic or graphic novel format. It's not really right for the show.

I think Castiel is the most obvious, sadly. They've come too close with Bobby already, and they just killed Rufus. I don't think they would kill Ben, both because that's kid death, which is really grim, and because Dean's guilt would probably destroy him. Lisa possibly, because no court would ever give Dean custody, although his relationship with Ben would likely be irreparable.

Who am I forgetting? For once, I'm not worried that either Sam or Dean will go.