She's terse. I can be terse. Once in flight school, I was laconic.

Wash ,'War Stories'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - May 08, 2011 5:17:55 pm PDT #19666 of 30002
Because books.

Well, I forgot about them! Until the preview, and, um, you reminded me. Ben better not die, is all I can say. Or Lisa, because Two and a Half Supernatural Men is not really the show I want to see next season.

I think something has to happen with the wall, now that I consider it. They've left it mostly alone since Sam passed out and Dean recommended drink and drugs to medicate, but the exchange with Cas about the "piss-poor job" of getting him out of hell was a big reminder.

And since we never really saw any of the damage to his soul (although we did see the damage running around soulless caused), it seems like a smoking gun now.

My superpower is talking myself into catastrophe, I guess. Yay?


§ ita § - May 08, 2011 5:39:52 pm PDT #19667 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Dean would rather stop hunting and raise Ben than take him with them hunting, so I'm not worried about them raising him either way.

I click on a lot of fic I shouldn't, but I really have to uncross my eyes after reading stuff like this:

I’d been chosen long ago to look after Dean. I remember the day he was born and my older brother coming to me to tell me it had begun.

“You’re destiny is beginning, little brother.” Gabriel rubs my shoulder and smiles at me. I longed for his approval always.

Ignore the spelling for now. Gabriel did not tell Cas anything when Dean was born. Does anyone seriously think he wasn't off being Loki 30 years ago? And why is Cas longing for approval? Who is that?

Plus I despise the trope that Castiel had a special bond with Dean from before unless it's really sparely written. And usually it's not.

Mark Pellegrino is currently fucking people's shit up on The Breakout Kings.


Morgana - May 08, 2011 6:01:55 pm PDT #19668 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I click on a lot of fic I shouldn't

Likewise. One of my questions about the portrayals I frequently see is that Castiel is presented as "the littlest brother." Is that canon? I'm not remembering it, but it might have come from a conversation that I just don't recall. Because it comes up all.the.time.


§ ita § - May 08, 2011 6:06:06 pm PDT #19669 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't mind if Cas is littler than the archangels--although I have no reason to imagine that they were created in order, hierarchy-wise, he's little brother.

But not to everyone! I especially hate the "God created him last, so he's his favourite" trope. Sera says he's multimillion years old, and I cheered when she said that. Now that we know he was around when the fish flopped out, I hope we get less "widdle Cas" fic.

When we met Cas, he was in a position of authority over Uriel. He's patently not at either end of the totem pole.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 08, 2011 6:08:00 pm PDT #19670 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

From the show I had the impression that Castiel was of the rank & file, and that most of the named angels we've seen were his elders and superiors, but Uriel was supposedly subordinate to him and he's clearly more capable (and possibly senior) than the disposable angelic mooks that kept getting killed.


Anne W. - May 09, 2011 1:14:56 am PDT #19671 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

From the show I had the impression that Castiel was of the rank & file, and that most of the named angels we've seen were his elders and superiors

Rank-wise, I think of him as some sort of NCO. Ranked highly enough and experienced enough to be given a critical mission (rescuing Dean), but not a key player when it came to setting overall strategy.


§ ita § - May 09, 2011 2:36:03 am PDT #19672 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do NCOs get command?


§ ita § - May 09, 2011 6:11:47 am PDT #19673 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Never heard of my author before (reveals are out: [link] but I sent her a PM, and her reply was nice. Although it didn't contain A ROUGH DRAFT.


Amy - May 09, 2011 2:31:23 pm PDT #19674 of 30002
Because books.

Hey, one of my guesses for Anne's story was right! I rock.

Do NCOs get command?

I should know this, and I don't.

I hate the Cas-has-been-Dean's-guardian-angel-forever trope, and I'm not sure why. But I was thinking of unanswered questions I wish would be clarified one day, and one of them would be: when he remade Dean to raise him from perdition, did he see everything? Every atom, every memory?

The mind-reading question seems to be answered, though, since Cas was more simply eavesdropping in the last episode.


§ ita § - May 09, 2011 2:44:22 pm PDT #19675 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The mind-reading question seems to be answered, though

Good point. He could have mindread Dean in that first visit in order to get his answers.

I don't mind Cas in Dean's past if he travels back in time to get there. But it's pretty important to me that the first time he meets Dean is in Hell. I'm not sure why. I've read a couple that did that that I didn't hate, but it's rare. I'm not all over a fated love for those two.

I'm seeing some people crow that D/Cers are busted now because Dean said Cas was like a brother to him. Is there a rule somewhere that D/Cers have to have an incest squick? I mean, *I* do, and that line doesn't do anything to harm my ability to ship FICTION relationships. But I know plenty of people that read D/C that don't have a problem with fictional incest.

It's like we're all supposed to hate incest and we're all supposed to hate Sam. I'm not sure why either point is important. Are there really people feeling smug because they're not bothered by incest and like Sam more than I'm supposed to?

Still, my favourites are the people that state that a) Wincest is totally supported by canon or b) they had sex with their brother and it was fine so step off.

Oh, okay.

Oh, and a point I think that supports my idea that Dean can find joy in bits of hunting--his glee at boasting about Sam's decapitation of Gordon. He was like a little boy gloating about his action hero. That stuff is fun for him, man, when the danger's gone.