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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?

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§ ita § - May 02, 2011 10:50:05 am PDT #19504 of 30002

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, so I made a decision. Crowley and Cas haven't been working together the whole time (unless they have, and that's how Sam and Samuel got back to earth, but I don't want to dwell on it). Instead, Cas has been on the soul train since he started working with Balthazar's weapons mid-season, since Balty has been all up in souls since The Third Man.

That's what I'm going with for now.

Matt the Bruins fan - May 02, 2011 11:39:34 am PDT #19505 of 30002

"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Castiel could have gotten the idea from Balthazar in "The Third Man" and then gone back to forge an alliance with Crowley before Sam made his reappearance at the end of "Swan Song" - he has a lot more latitude for chronological vs. subjective event mismatch than anyone else.

§ ita § - May 02, 2011 12:07:49 pm PDT #19506 of 30002

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't get the impression Cas spent enough time with Balty in The Third Man to get what he was doing, but certainly by the time The French Mistake rolled around they'd had time to negotiate and exchange ideas.

Sadly, Cas being in cahoots with Crowley for the whole time would explain him not mentioning Christian was a demon. But I don't want the rift to go that far back.

And when Cas went back into the hospital full of abnormals, he totally didn't kill them all, did he?

Amy - May 02, 2011 12:09:14 pm PDT #19507 of 30002

Because books.

And when Cas went back into the hospital full of abnormals, he totally didn't kill them all, did he?

I forgot all about that. Wow, I really want to rewatch everything now. At least every Cas episode.

§ ita § - May 02, 2011 12:10:43 pm PDT #19508 of 30002

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or if he did, he killed them for Crowley's ends...

I like how absolutely everything is coming back to what Death said...it being about the souls. This might have been confusing going through it, but the threads are being pulled together.

Amy - May 02, 2011 12:30:48 pm PDT #19509 of 30002

Because books.

I want the soul thing and the mirror thing (from the credits) to tie together, too, just for neatness's sake. Although I think we're already pretty much there on the second, with a lot of things not quite what they seem on first glance.

Matt the Bruins fan - May 02, 2011 1:14:01 pm PDT #19510 of 30002

"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

And when Cas went back into the hospital full of abnormals, he totally didn't kill them all, did he?

Probably just teleported the whole kit & kaboodle to some other handy containment location.

It may be that the wards that hid the place and neutralized some of the demons' powers inside weren't Crowley's doing at all.

§ ita § - May 02, 2011 1:32:07 pm PDT #19511 of 30002

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Might also explain why an angel ran from a hellhound.

§ ita § - May 02, 2011 3:35:12 pm PDT #19512 of 30002

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, and, HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAM.

Marcia - May 02, 2011 5:01:55 pm PDT #19513 of 30002

Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert

Indeed! Happy Birthday, Sam!

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