That makes sense, Matt. This episode has me missing Ellen all over again (which I suppose was the intent).

Oh me too. I wish there was some way we could have kept Ellen and Jo.

I'm discussing Sam's time in hell with a friend.

She thinks Lucifer tortured Adam, and that Sam got in on the action, and I like to think that Sam was fairly untouched, and that simply being there at all was torture enough. Or that Lucifer did take out his rage on those around him, but somehow Sam remained untouched, and that Sam's psychological torture is all about Sam's guilt about being left alone, a helpless witness to Lucifer venting his frustrations out on Adam and Michael (leaving Sam alone in the hopes of escaping/being freed and reclaiming his true vessel). I don't think Sam's time in the cage should be a retread of Dean's time in hell, torturing and enjoying it, which is where she's at. And I also don't just want to go for straight torture of Sam, as it seems the obvious choice. So, maybe Sam's experience was one of just witnessing. And being unable to stop it.

So, if my leanings were to be true, would the psychological ramifications be devastatingly on par to being the victim of torture? Bearing helpless witness, and then the survivor's guilt that would come with being saved while Adam is left behind? Or is this a case of Occam's Razor, and the obvious, simple answer is the right one.

I really just want the four of them to have been in the cage playing poker, bored out their minds, all equally helpless. And Sam's trauma was ennui for hundreds of years. People go insane from that shit, yo.

This episode has me missing Ellen all over again (which I suppose was the intent).

I was thinking this over the weekend. Ellen was awesome. Once again her death protects the boys. But I guess this time doesn't count as a death?

Bobby and the boys obviously need her. I want her back.

As distracted as I was watching the ep (explaining the show to my mom's bff in a hotel room) I was extremely relieved and glad that Ellen wasn't some evil incarnation sent to torture Bobby and the boys. Yet I'm sure it was worse that it really was Ellen.

t shallow

Ellen's hair was so pretty.

t /shallow

I was thinking she was really pretty too, but I think that's just because I love her so much.

I was actually thinking that she was too spit and polished. Missed my rough and tumble Ellen, with the dirty blonde hair. Didn't quite know what to make of the luxurious locks of shiny dark brown hair.

When... did Ellen have blonde hair? Samantha Ferris has been some variety of brunette in everything I recall ever seeing her in.

I wouldn't ever call her blonde, but, dirty blonde, yes: [link]

as opposed to the dark brown this last ep: [link]

Whatever colour you want to call it, it wasn't this latest incarnation. Which is fine, Ellen can dye her hair, get back to her roots. People do this. Her roots were darker. But in show, she had blondish hair.