It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Juliebird - Apr 08, 2011 5:41:12 pm PDT #18964 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Speaking from my own experience of such adamant REPRESS REPRESS REPRESS or else I'll go mad, I can see Rufus operating superficially on a friendly level. Fuck, life goes on, shit needs doing, these are the people you got. And it's all good, just so long as you don't ask, don't talk about it. Never Mention It. But if you do, the untapped depth of emotion that can boil up --it's debilitating.

Granted, my experience doesn't come close to "you are responsible in some way for my significant other dying", but on a lesser level, I see the real potential for a dichotomy of interacting with a person that you hate/are angry-with-on-a-fundamental-level.

I almost see it as a Ellen/John relationship, if we ever got to see that. Colleagues, allies, seeming friends, but a well of bad feeling lurking.


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2011 5:53:40 pm PDT #18965 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I regret Rufus's death, but I think it was well done. So I don't think he was wasted except as a colloquialism. Not in the Supernatural universe.

I think Bobby and Rufus had a surface-level version of what Dean claimed at the end of the episode. They had to do life or death stuff together, and they trusted each other with their lives, but there was that thing. And Rufus was still mad. But that didn't mean Rufus didn't trust Bobby from here on in, and that he didn't have a reasonably good time with him.


Amy - Apr 08, 2011 7:14:22 pm PDT #18966 of 30002
Because books.

Secondary, and tertiary, characters are fine, and I love it when they're nicely fleshed out, but in this kind of show, you have to keep focus. It's not ER where you can have endless characters and storylines floating around.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 09, 2011 3:19:49 am PDT #18967 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I felt his death was essentially gilding the lily... we'd already had the shocking deaths of two supporting characters in the episode, one sympathetic and one who'd been fairly important to the Winchesters (more so than Rufus, actually). I think that should have sufficed.


Juliebird - Apr 09, 2011 5:50:45 am PDT #18968 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

What I didn't like was how they staged his death. It had to be part of a narrative trick to fake us out about whether Bobby was dead. It had a whiff off "Don't worry, only Rufus died."


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2011 6:45:13 am PDT #18969 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Random bits from the Jus In Bello convention so far:

  • Misha's mother had his brother hid weed in his underpants
  • Misha got arrested in a bank robbery for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (reading a book on the roof)


Amy - Apr 09, 2011 7:18:21 am PDT #18970 of 30002
Because books.

Misha's going to need to write a comprehensive memoir one day, I think.


JenP - Apr 09, 2011 7:22:19 am PDT #18971 of 30002

I think Misha's mom might be as entertaining as her son.


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2011 7:24:04 am PDT #18972 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

His brother was five at the time.

Misha becomes more and more plausible.


Amy - Apr 09, 2011 8:28:20 am PDT #18973 of 30002
Because books.

His brother was five at the time.

Okay, that's a little fucked up.