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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Theresa - Apr 07, 2011 6:18:50 pm PDT #18938 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I just think John has none.

So true. Oh, John.


Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 6:20:42 pm PDT #18939 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think in a dead even "fair fight" Sam would win against Dean. When both are fast and strong and skilled, muscle and mass are decisive. But give Dean some tiny advantage he can use to leverage his greater experience and cunning and I think Dean wins. I have no opinion on John.


§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 6:29:37 pm PDT #18940 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why would a hunter engage in a fair fight? Why would anyone engage in a fair fight? What does that even mean?


Amy - Apr 07, 2011 6:42:55 pm PDT #18941 of 30002
Because books.

I always thought a fair fight meant the opponents were equally matched in strength and skill, not that they agreed to fight ... politely or whatever.


§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 6:47:21 pm PDT #18942 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One of the guiding principles of krav is "fuck a fair fight" and over time, I came to not understand the concept anymore. There are unbalanced fights, like just about every one Sam will ever get in, but "fair"? It's not a concept that has a place with life or death.


Theresa - Apr 07, 2011 6:47:50 pm PDT #18943 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I always thought a fair fight meant you couldn't pull a knife or a gun if bare knuckles had been agreed. Also you can't hit an opponent who isn't looking or has his back turned. I'm making these rules up but they seem "gentlemanly". ETA: Also, unless it is a fight to the death, no hitting the boobs or the crotch. I bet this is written up somewhere.

A hunter fighting for his life or even real life street fighting isn't going to follow rules.

"fuck a fair fight"

Would be the reality of fighting for your life.


Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 6:49:49 pm PDT #18944 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

"fair fight" was shorthand. They both realize they are going to fight at the same time, with little notice. They are facing each other, and neither has an advantage in position at the time they realize they are going to fight. Neither has an advantage in weapons. Etc. Etc. at tldr. A "fair fight" is unlikely to happen by accident, but an enemy might set one up.


Theresa - Apr 07, 2011 7:01:52 pm PDT #18945 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I just made my reservations for F2F in Denver so everyone here should do that too. We can watch SPN dvds and squeal in person!


§ ita § - Apr 07, 2011 7:22:18 pm PDT #18946 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why would an enemy set up a fair fight? Why would anyone set up a fair fight? Why would you bother fighting? If you have the luxury to do all that, you're not fighting, you're sparring.


Typo Boy - Apr 07, 2011 7:23:29 pm PDT #18947 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

An enemy might set up a "fair fight" between the brothers as part of an incoherent overly complex plot.